Russia has a cutthroat, bloodthirsty intelligence/spy apparatus

Basically all Russian "capitalism" is controlled by a small group of men

Trump admitted long ago that most of his money comes from Russia. Apparently, also, it was Russian banks who bailed him out the last time he needed bailing out. Again, Russian businesses and Russian government is kinda the same damn thing

Trump is magically supportive and deferring to anything Putin wants, up to and including disbanding/weakening of NATO and the UN so that Putin can continue invading other nations

US, British, and other intelligence agencies assert that Russia has a ****load of compromising information about Trump. 3 people associated with his administration and/or campaign have already quit due to unethical and/or illegal ties to Russia.

Now, it's coming out that Trump's team was actually in constant contact with Russian intelligence/spy agents during the campaign. Making it look a lot less coincidental that Trump publicly asked Russia to hack his opponents during the campaign, said Putin was smart to not get mad about sanctions before Trump had a chance to remove them, etc



Tl;dr Trump is operating with the interests of Russia at a higher priority than the interests of the USA, at least in certain instances, and he's doing so because of a combination of bribery and extortion

And he's too stupid and arrogant to hide it well at all, and lucked into the situation of a lifetime where his party is terrified to go against him because of how he's got tens of millions of Americans hanging onto his every tweet since he's been so honest and understanding about their racism

This. He tried to get Repub leaders to do a bi-partisan announcement, but McConell refused.

If they impeach Trump and then start dismantling the government all hell will break loose. The left will go bonkers at dismantling the welfare state and the right will go bonkers at treacherous politicians who got rid of the Guy Who Was Going To Fix Everything And Put Those ____ In Their Place.

Yep. This is exactly why I couldn't believe so many people back then were like, "welp, Obama been briefed and he didn't tell us we are in a **** storm, so we are not in a **** storm"

Especially since it's been repeatedly proven that his #1 priority above everything is the legitimacy of our democracy and faith in the integrity of our institutions, sometimes to the point it could be argued he's naive

Source? I think if there was ironclad proof Trump was a traitor it should have been announced long ago. I also think if BO had this information he would have released it one way or another. I mean he had nothing really to lose on his way out right? His party already lost virtually every win able election this cycle, why not release it if it was so damning.

The only logical conclusion is that either the evidence isn't ironclad or it isn't as damning as what everyone is speculating. Otherwise there is no downside to releasing it or hell just leaking it like everything else is these days.

Lmao

The article says the intelligence agencies have travel logs, so they did meet face to face, probably for things like cash payments in exchange for the treason. But the treason was so extensive and regular that there needed to be regular calls as well. Just was not physically possible to meet with their comrades regularly, especially since they needed to be on the campaign trail to using the DNC information stolen by their comrades.

I'm using my one time on Bannon being implicated.

I'm not sure if there is any ironclad treasonous proof. All these guys wanted to be buddy buddy with Russia for ideological reasons. It's odd to see so many contacts with Russia during the election and after though plus it was obvious the Trump campaign was getting fed the leaks from the Clinton emails. The Russian backing instead of kicking American spy out was fishy as hell. That's a whole lot of smoke.

I really can't wrap my head around Comey and his actions. He thought Clinton was going to win anyway and wanted to keep monitoring these Russian/Trump connections secretly?

Explain where I'm wrong? I want it to be true as much as you guys do but I have been Chicken Little'd by you guys regarding trump literally like 25 times in the last 18 months. Also the worst case scenerio you guys are all dreaming up and fantasizing about makes no logical sense based on what we know. Then again it's Trump so you never know.

The whole BO just cares so much about democracy that he wouldn't dare release that info is insanely dumb. They knew about it during the election and it could have been leaked just like it is now.

what? you really believe this?

at the very minimum they used russian hackers to win the election

at worse (even more likely), its a lot more treasonous.

but it was?

lol

You could only say this if you have a below a certain level of knowledge of Obama's life, and below a certain level of understanding of what things like "Legitimacy" mean in a political science or comparative government sense.

I mean seriously it's been 18 stralight months of this is the end! He doesn't even want to be president! This is the scandal that will end him! Some of you guys want it to be true so bad you don't think about what's happening with a shred of logic.

Essentially the worst case scenario premise is a guy who only cares about riches (see lives in golden tower) makes a deal with russia to help him win the presidency where he mostly uses it to make himself and his cronies (along with their cronies) richer. He's already doing the himself and his cronies part and we have clear blatant russian ties all over in the administration. The theory might be a fair bit more than what actually happened, but I don't see how one can say it's not a reasonable conclusion with what we currently know.

I mean there wasn't some briefcase of money exchanging hands something that's a smoking fun and easy to point to. Most likely friends of friends having dinners and using innuendo to let them know that Russian hackers got the emails but in a way that doesn't implicate Trump's minions and some back door channel communications between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign to be once removed from direct contact with Russians.

Nobody has floated the sanctions being bait for the TRUMP team by BO. Top chess if so.

I'm definitely not someone saying this is the end.

In fact, almost none of these "revelations" are new. Even a lot of the corroboration isn't new corroboration.

There was no claim of treason; only that Putin/Russia were trying to influence the election and that several Trump campaign people were communicating with Russians (and that the public should have that information).

If he has ironclad proof Trump is a Russian operative where is the downside in releasing it one way or another?

Not to mention the fact that if he knows this beyond all doubt he has a duty to prevent a traitor from becoming POTUS.

Occams razor says either the proof wasn't ironclad or it wasn't damning enough to release, sorry bud. Using some convoluted logic regarding BOs beliefs as a reason not to release it makes no sense considering he sanctioned Russia right after the election for interfering.

Trump absolutely does not want to be President in the traditional role and meaning of the office.

After Bill Mitchell sonned me hard with that "real ground game is in our hearts" **** I really, really thought I had fixed my brain, but now the goddamn HillaryMen calling Trump the Manchurian candidate were right too?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore, man, it's all backwards.

Ya and he had no problem releasing the first part of that which kind of blows away the argument that he wanted to protect the sanctity of democracy lol.

wtf is this story? i've only been reading/watching for like 15 minutes. i'm not at all convinced this will amount to anything. even if substantial, it will just be shrugged away as "crying libtards" and "evil media" or "treacherous leakers" like always.

what is this, "we have names" ****. why can't they just give even one name then? why wait? are they simply trying to up ratings for a news cycle?