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02-14-2017 , 08:10 PM

#9126

Minirra

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Einbert,

Think it's safe to assume there are a lot of Trump supporters are just quiet about it. It might be because of bad press and people challenging them with things they know they have no sensible response for, some others maybe because the election is over and they're not concerned about current events. But they're still very much there and not going anywhere.

02-14-2017 , 08:12 PM

#9127

einbert

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Originally Posted by Minirra

Think it's safe to assume there are a lot of Trump supporters are just quiet about it. It might be because of bad press and people challenging them with things they know they have no sensible response for, some others maybe because the election is over and they're not concerned about current events. But they're still very much there.

They probably know about it in that they know something happened and Flynn resigned, but Fox News and all the other right wing outlets are working 24/7 right now to frame it as "a bumpy transition" and "a media witchhunt." They don't see it in the same way that you and I do, that much is for sure.

02-14-2017 , 08:12 PM

#9128

Dominic

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That Hannity interview with Conway has me so ****ing mad I want to destroy something

02-14-2017 , 08:13 PM

#9129

einbert

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Like, part of the basic job of the news media is to give us all basic information to work with on really huge important stories like this--so that we can then discuss it amongst ourselves, read more, and come to conclusions. Because right-wing media lives in its own world, we are not getting that--and that makes it very difficult to communicate about stories like this with other people because they're coming at it from a completely different perspective than we are.

02-14-2017 , 08:19 PM

#9130

m_reed05

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I am assuming Pence and Priebus are the connection between the WH and the GOPe/Congress? In that regard I hope Priebus is next to go, then we might actually get some Rs in congress to turn on Trump. Apparently treason isn't a good enough reason so far.

02-14-2017 , 08:25 PM

#9131

slidey1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

That Hannity interview with Conway has me so ****ing mad I want to destroy something

This x10000

"Kellyanne, let's pivot into why the shameful media treats you so horribly." **** OFF

02-14-2017 , 08:29 PM

#9132

einbert

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Inso is a joke around here and he was rightly laughed at for his take, but that's gonna be the standard right-wing take right now. Everyone needs to realize that this is by design and this is no accident.

02-14-2017 , 08:29 PM

#9133

Kirbynator

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im not sure why Kellyanne and the other idiots bother going to the news and get asked real questions instead of just shooting the **** with fox and breitbart and all the other subhuman medias

02-14-2017 , 08:31 PM

#9134

suzzer99

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Originally Posted by RV Life

I'm noticing the same thing. Especially on Facebook. I have yet to see any conservative friends/family post anything political related in 2-3 days. They may be saying stuff privately, but they sure as hell aren't saying it publicly. Nothing about people having access to national security issues at the "winter white house" either.

They did the same thing after pussygate. All the Trump signs came down in nice neighborhoods. They still voted Trump, they're just ashamed of it. Because **** THAT BITCH.

02-14-2017 , 08:31 PM

#9135

Oroku$aki

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What happens if Trump shakes hands with the Queen?

02-14-2017 , 08:33 PM

#9136

markksman

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Originally Posted by Dominic

That Hannity interview with Conway has me so ****ing mad I want to destroy something

I actually said to myself "he needs to be punched in the face for being so silly".

02-14-2017 , 08:34 PM

#9137

RV Life

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You can't blame FOX for that. Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch and if they give Trumpkins any reason to regret their vote, they'll lose viewers.

FOX is probably flipping the **** out behind the scenes though. They know this isn't going to go away no matter how much they try to ignore it. So how do they keep viewers without pissing them off by pointing out they are ****ing idiots for voting Trump in the first place?

02-14-2017 , 08:34 PM

#9138

Bigoldnit

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I might have missed it, but did Ivanka's role as a trustee for two of Rupert Murdoch kids ever come up during the campaign, or is this new info?

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timei.../%3fsource=dam

02-14-2017 , 08:35 PM

#9139

einbert

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You can't blame FOX for that. Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch and if they give Trumpkins any reason to regret their vote, they'll lose viewers.

Capitalism poisons everything around us.

02-14-2017 , 08:35 PM

#9140

markksman

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

What happens if Trump shakes hands with the Queen?

02-14-2017 , 08:36 PM

#9141

einbert

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02-14-2017 , 08:39 PM

#9142

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

What happens if Trump shakes hands with the Queen?

It's Mike Pence you gotta worry about.

Last edited by RV Life; 02-14-2017 at 08:43 PM. Reason: Youtoob didn't work

02-14-2017 , 08:39 PM

#9143

Paul McSwizzle

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Cliffs on those? On phone and out for night.

ETA: I figure 3 in same post from einbert is worth asking for.

02-14-2017 , 08:40 PM

#9144

JoltinJake

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lol gotta love the adminstration's scooby doo strategy of trying to deflect blame onto the leakers

"and we would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling leakers!"

02-14-2017 , 08:42 PM

#9145

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle

Cliffs on those? On phone and out for night.

ETA: I figure 3 in same post from einbert is worth asking for.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15T307

Quote:

U.S. authorities have arrested an immigrant from Mexico who was brought to the United States illegally as a child and later given a work permit during the Obama administration in what could be the first detention of its kind under President Donald Trump.

Daniel Ramirez Medina, a 23-year-old with no criminal record, was taken into custody last week at his father's home in Seattle by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. The officers arrived at the home to arrest the man's father, though court documents did no make clear the reason the father was taken into custody.

Ramirez, now in custody in Tacoma, Washington, was granted temporary permission to live and work legally in the United States under a program called the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, established in 2012 by Democratic President Obama, according to a court filing.

The program protects from deportation 750,000 people who were brought to the United States illegally as children, sometimes called the "dreamers," and gives them the temporary right to work legally in the United States.

02-14-2017 , 08:49 PM

#9146

PocketChads

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

im not sure why Kellyanne and the other idiots bother going to the news and get asked real questions instead of just shooting the **** with fox and breitbart and all the other subhuman medias

Because a very powerful weapon is the narrative that the lamestresm media is hostile, undermining, petty and dishonest, in contrast to you, who is still out there trying to make this work and be honorable and forthright and open to all Americans, even the dumbass liberals.

02-14-2017 , 08:50 PM

#9147

RV Life

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Looks like the White House is just deleting information.

https://open.whitehouse.gov/browse

02-14-2017 , 08:52 PM

#9148

einbert

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

Yes. Also getting short, simple messages out into people's brains many many times over is incredibly effective.

02-14-2017 , 08:55 PM

#9149

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Yes. Also getting short, simple messages out into people's brains many many times over is incredibly effective.

but is it really? I mean why are some people more susceptible than others if they aren't inherently inclined to those beliefs? I mean I heard about emails and Benghazi thousands of times and don't buy into the propaganda around it. There are plenty of others like me. I doubt we are just genetically superior at resisting this misinformation.

02-14-2017 , 08:59 PM

#9150

einbert

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

I think it's more effective as opposed to complicated, nuanced messaging. For example, take the idea that "less taxes equals more jobs." An incredibly simple and ultimately braindead idea that has taken root in the brains of millions and in many so strongly that it is completely unshakeable. The right has never bothered to prove this assertion, they've just repeated it millions of times and now most people believe it. The left needs to do a better job of harnessing the power of simple messaging if they want to be more competitive in the future.

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