Inso0's swing from Trump supporter, to regretful Trump supporter, to quisling in 3 weeks is pretty impressive, I have to admit.

I strongly encourage you to NOT settle for some simplified Cliff's Notes on US-Russia relations, particularly from the Putin-Dubya era forward. There are many troubling examples of Putin/Russia actively undermining the US and it's allies' interests (directly and indirectly) and it warrants honest attention. Certainly more than some TMZ-style primer on a beef between two rappers.

If you put the time in and get yourself a more complete picture and considered it objectively, you would probably understand why so many people here are disturbed. Regardless of political affiliation there's no reason for anyone to excuse extreme conflicts of interest and blatant corruption. Remember these people are there to work for you, don't give them a free pass on anything.

It's always good when you get those moments of clarity of a trump supporter and trump being equally ignorant on how the us government works of even what it is.

It's not reassuring or comforting but just puts things back in a sensible perspective.

Citation?

Please, tell me more about how Russia is all up in your electricity grids with the 1337 hax.

Also, your post has very little bearing on the content and facts in the article I posted, so, good job? I am not sure where you stand on the SNOWDEN IS A TRAITOR issue personally, but surely you can understand how the above article might cause a bit of dissonance for the Champstarks of the world.

I'll answer out loud. The worst case scenario for the Clinton Foundation's government ties and policy influences is better (ie. less concerning for the US and its citizens) than the best case scenario for Flynn and this regime. Hope that helps.

$200k gets you a front row seat to the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Japan reacting to the North Korean missile launch




lol inso

This. Just point and laugh at GG. I mean, goddamn. How hard is it to admit maybe you were wrong? It's astounding.

Putin and his gang are extremely bothered by EU and US sanctions. I personally know of a Putin ally who had this boat built by Hakvoort in Holland in 2010 and took it for a few cruises (a friend of mine tried to help himself to muesli at breakfast on the skydeck and the ex-Abramovich chief stewardess freaked out and he said, 'An Englishman always serves himself at breakfast,' and the owner did a sort of Goldfinger chuckle and said, 'Not on this boat') -- and then had to sell it because sanctions had castrated his cash flow.

https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/lu...68/revelry.htm

Also, Putin seeks to undermine Western nations by sponsoring far-right troublemakers, as he is doing with Le Pen in France and Trump in the US.

Inso, we pretty much know what the worst case was in the Clinton Foundation. I'll give you a hint by telling you that the worst case scenario for basically everything Hillary related was actually exaggerated publicly during the campaign. Maybe you can figure out what the worst case for the Clinton Foundation is based on that tidbit of info.

Have you read this?
(link)

I'm actually quite curious about your media intake. What specific sources do you use for news, Inso? I know you mentioned a couple days ago you don't watch TV. So what exact websites, radio stations, etc do you use? Be specific.

JFC Clinton Foundation just got brought up. Once you get there, might as well put the white flag and go home. You've lost the argument.

Spicer said Flynn did not resign - he was fired.

conway and splicer said totally different things

so who the hell knows, fire sounds better though for the trump team imo

trump loved the hillary leaks

HOW DARE THEY LEAK NOW

I find it interesting how much some in the left want to tee off on Greenwald for a pretty reasonable stance on Russia, namely, during the hysteria over "tampered with the election", he just said "can we see any evidence from US intel". And on that issue all I've seen is a phishing scheme.

Yes he was a little over the top likely because of alliances with both Snowden (obv) and Assange but his point was and is valid.

lol, what a clownshow.

If ya'll have noticed I drop stories about my dad from time to time. Blind Trump supporter who will take a bullet right in the chest to defend the man about anything. I let this Flynn stuff sit as long as I could and finally sent him a text asking for his thoughts?

His response: "No comment."

He hasn't been mum about anything this entire election. Always ready to defend at will. We're wearing them down boys and girls. Day after day month after month until they have nothing left to stand on. This is only the beginning.

Trumpites are like the Sand people - easily frightened. But they will regroup, get their marching orders/random greivance plen-T-plaints from right-wing media, and be back in force.

What has foxnews been saying

White House is focusing on illegal leaks

The cries out there in the twitterverse that trump told flynn to do it/say those things are too far for what we know at this time. He could've easily done that on his own even if the conclusion is close enough. The last thing everyone needs is more fuel to the opposite side are liars narrative.

There are a lot of people with a "so what?" mindset with this too. If they can spin it to firing and he's a liar and he's a democrat or whatever else, they can still get out of this with the public and as stated, people won't remember or care about this by 2018 if it's not still a discussion topic then.

His point was completely asinine though. No you can't see direct evidence because this **** will happen and a ****ing kindergartner would understand that:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/27/russia...cials-6409849/

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.768228

So we had numerous US intelligence agencies, I believe 19 by the end, all saying the same thing and even publishing memos to the public and on the other side, you had a nakedly corrupt Trump and Putin. And Greenwald is like what side should we believe, who knows, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, lemme see the raw intelligence or gtfo.

Its like he thinks the Republican party is so obviously despicable that he would rather focus his energies on the Democratic establishment because its a more challenging pursuit and he would rather prove the point that "everyone is corrupt."

And if you agree he has an alliance with Assange, then its just impossible to apologize for GG:



I mean come on, gmafb. Why should Julian Assange have so much power to implement his bizarre agenda? His biases are obvious and its completely unethical for a journalist to ally himself with someone who uses selective "transparency" the way Assange has to effect elections the way he does.

The issue with this is its a lose/lose/lose for Trump. One of the following is true:

-Trump should have known about these conversations and didn't because the government wasn't operating properly (incompetency)
-Trump did know and lied about it (illegality for his involvement and immorality for the lying)
-Trump was purposefully insulated from them to protect him (immorality and possibly illegality on his part and almost certainly on the part of others)

There is no scenario where Trump's (non-)involvement is excusable.

This x a million. I'm glad GG is out there. But he has some pretty serious biases when it comes to his buddies.

Remember how the grab the pussy tape was forgotten in like two days and Trumpkins were right back at it? As long as he keeps up the racism, they won't bail on him. Ever.

of course he was fired.


you can call it "resign"


but he got fired

for treason