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02-14-2017 , 04:07 PM

#9001

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Originally Posted by TheHip41

we are done here

this. no matter how you spin it, it was treason and that crime is not limited to Lt. General Flynn.

02-14-2017 , 04:07 PM

#9002

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Originally Posted by otatop

Who investigated the conversations?
What benefit does improving relations serve to the US? All I've seen so far is the Trump campaign and now administration going out of its way to make life easier for Russia, and in return the US gets...to be allies with a dictatorship?

The only answer I have seen for this are that Russia will help us kill brown people.

I have found the Russian thing extremely baffling long before the election. There was a weird under-current of Putin worship by a segment of the US population long before this last election cycle. So a combination of this with not understanding who Putin is and what the actual powestructure in Russia is leads to dismissing them as any sort of threat.

Of course Yemen is an obvious threat though.

02-14-2017 , 04:09 PM

#9003

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here was a weird under-current of Putin worship by a segment of the US population long before this last election cycle.

It's almost as if one of our major political parties has been drifting further and further into nationalism+fascism+authoritarianism long before this last election cycle even started.

02-14-2017 , 04:10 PM

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It was literally the sort of thing the Logan Act was put in place for

Do you know anything about anything? JAQ

Clearly, you've forgot how inso0 posts because he does it much less now.

02-14-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

It's almost as if one of our major political parties has been drifting further and further into nationalism+fascism+authoritarianism long before this last election cycle even started.

meh, maybe

It's undeniable that the GOP's stance (hell even its own platform) toward Russia was markedly changed by Trump himself

02-14-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by markksman

Go ahead and guess why he was asked to resign. It's not hard if you try and invoke a bit of honesty.

Seems to me he either actually lied about something substantial, or it was too inconvenient to keep him around with all the media heat.

I hope it's the first one. We can't be setting a precedent 3 weeks in that media ****storms can get members of the administration kicked out.

02-14-2017 , 04:13 PM

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The real answer is that the Trumps have lucrative business ties to Russia (Trump's own son has admitted this) and they do not want these relationships disturbed.

02-14-2017 , 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Inso0

So what happens next?

Honestly? People laugh at you. That's what happens next.

02-14-2017 , 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I can say with 100% certainty that the two of you have spent more time watching FOXNEWS than I have. Work in some new dismissive comments to the rotation.

This is what everyone is currently speculating about, no?

I don't know. You don't know. Will either of us believe the answer that comes from the administration?

No matter the answer, he's gone now. So is your ultimate goal here to prove that he DID discuss sanctions, and that he did so under direct command from Trump? Otherwise, he's a lightning rod that got tossed under the bus and just gets replaced and we move on.

Can we stop for a minute and talk about why the hell the Obama "sanctions" are even something to get upset over? This is like when you were 8 and your friend gets you killed for the 15th time in the Wookie Hole in Battletoads and you tell him to go home. Everyone cools off for a while and ultimately no big deal.

I imagine a conversation where the Ambassador wraps up with, "Hey, Vladmir was in a Fantasy Football pool and you *******s tossed him out, what gives?" and Flynn laughs it off like, "Obama, amirite? We'll see what we can do in January."

Probably not the sort of thing the Logan Act was put in place for.

actually we do know.

he discussed sanctions with Russia on behalf of Trump, while the government was currently placing sanctions on Russian, for interfering with the election

This is treason.

Thats why he got fired.

Think of all the **** thats already happened, and then think "what would I have to do to get fired from this administration?

the answer is treason

02-14-2017 , 04:14 PM

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Holy ****.

The thing inso0 is worried about here is not the treason committed. It's not that 3 members of Trump's inner circle have had to step down because they were compromised by Russia. It's not that American intelligence thinks Russia has ears in the situation room. It's that the media is actually doing their ****ing job.

It's genuinely tough to be that stupid.

02-14-2017 , 04:15 PM

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nah bro it's not the media ****storm that got Flynn got, it's the fact that his treasonous behavior is recorded and can't be plausibly denied if (when?) the recordings get out

I mean has there been a Trump cabinet pick that didn't cause at least a minor media ****storm? How many of those nominations got pulled?

02-14-2017 , 04:16 PM

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A Russian signals intelligence ship was spotted 70 miles off the coast of Delaware Tuesday, Fox News reports.

I'm sure they're just lost and need directions.

NYT article--U.S. Says Russia Tested Cruise Missile, Violating Treaty

With friends like these
you're gonna have a lot of enemies.

02-14-2017 , 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Well, this is the angle right-wing media is pushing (I listened to right-wing radio for ten minutes last night on the drive home). The idea is that Obama was breaking laws CONSTANTLY during his two terms, but the media only cares about it now that there's a Republican in charge. And the right-wingers aren't happy about that, not one bit let me tell you.

If you read Inso's posts from that perspective, every sentence he writes makes absolute perfect sense. He's just doing his part as a good solider to push that party line.

02-14-2017 , 04:19 PM

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NYT: F.B.I. Interviewed Flynn in Trump’s First Days in Office, Officials Say

if Flynn lied, that could be a felony, like Scooter Libby in the Valerie Plame investigation during GWB presidency.

02-14-2017 , 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Seems to me he either actually lied about something substantial, or it was too inconvenient to keep him around with all the media heat.

I hope it's the first one. We can't be setting a precedent 3 weeks in that media ****storms can get members of the administration kicked out.

How can you even write these things? Are you kidding me bro? Like, forget that there's some heavily implied treasony things maybe going on here. Media ****storms are the lifeblood of the Trump organization. They happen like 3 times a week, and without them Trump will actually shrivel up and die. For Team ****** to deem Flynn a liability means that there is probably video of him blowing Putin on the corpse of a Ukranian diplomat floating around out there.

02-14-2017 , 04:22 PM

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Nice Greenwald piece on the Flynn Leaks

For those of you who were calling Snowden a traitor or never calling for Clapper to resign who are cheerleading today. Rekt

Nice! Except Greenwald just spent the last year mocking anyone who argued that the evidence strongly suggested here was a connection between Trump and Russia, and telling us to not give any weight to anonymous intelligence sources in the New York Times, Washington Post, etc. sounding off alarm bells that Trump's people were shady as **** because they could just be me or you completely making **** up as far as he is concerned.

But other than that, yeah, rekt, Greenwald is the bomb!!!!

02-14-2017 , 04:23 PM

#9017

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I'm fully aware that you have cut the cable cord about 10 years ago according to your posts. This doesn't have anything to do with Fox News. It has to do with the FACT that you refuse to seek out facts and sourced news and instead rely on your gut and whatever media exposure you do have.

02-14-2017 , 04:23 PM

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I mean if all it took to keep Trump in check is the media then 2/3 of the country and 4/5 of the world wouldn't collectively shart every time this bumbling idiot tweets

02-14-2017 , 04:23 PM

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Nice! Except Greenwald just spent the last year mocking anyone who argued that the evidence strongly suggested here was a connection between Trump and Russia, and telling us to not give any weight to anonymous intelligence sources sounding off alarm bells that Trump's people were shady as **** because they could just be me or you completely making **** up as far as he is concerned.

But other than that, yeah, rekt, Greenwald is the bomb!!!!

And noted Liberal HastenDan posted these articles over and over. Noted liberal HastenDan is now playing both sides, because noted liberal Dannyboy is a fraud.

02-14-2017 , 04:32 PM

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...but should we use our Congressional investigatory powers to find out?

Nahhh, just throw a little shade and hope it works itself out.

02-14-2017 , 04:32 PM

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Treason accusations flying wild ITT.

It must be a bigger deal to kick out some diplomats than it seems from an outsider perspective. You guys are pretty serious about these sanctions.

Is it too much to ask you guys why the Flynn worst-case scenario is any different than the US government access that HRC was selling via the Clinton Foundation?

No need to answer out loud. You can keep that one to yourselves.

02-14-2017 , 04:34 PM

#9022

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We're not just talking about the diplomats. We're talking about the sanctions that were put in place when Russia annexed Crimea.

And yes, this is a ton worse than anything Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation.

02-14-2017 , 04:37 PM

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Greenwald being wholly disingenuous. Even though people may have had various feelings on whistleblowers the actual information was still discussed and addressed.

This idea that there is some level of hypocrisy between these leakers and snowden et al is obsfucation. (Not to mention lolol 2016 Wikileaks). I have seen pretty much nobody praising whomever leaked the information.

So let's stop tossing off on the idea of whatever perceived hypocrisy and focus on what happened.

Greeenwald's article is basically an approval of the action while slapping anyone who wants things further investigated.

02-14-2017 , 04:37 PM

#9024

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Link to bribery accusations? I know about the letter that came from Yates, but nobody has provided an ounce of detail.

A snippet from the NYT Piece on Flynn's resignation

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/u...one-share&_r=1

02-14-2017 , 04:37 PM

#9025

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Nobody cares about her emails. Trump won. Using the argument 'BUT CLINTON WAS WORSE' does not make sense after she has lost but every Trump supporter keeps using it to justify Trump's actions. If your only argument to defend Trump's actions is 'BUT CLINTON WAS WORSE' you are also not fooling anyone who has half a brain.

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