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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-24-2017 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Rachel Maddow!
Read the byline!
01-24-2017 , 07:40 PM
Only someone as galactically stupid as Trump would claim an election he won was fraudulent.

You literally cannot write something as ****ing nuts as this moron.
01-24-2017 , 07:47 PM
A few posts late so bear with me but....for those of you still arguing Clinton/Sanders/blame, etc. let's not forget that this was Clinton's "turn" and the Dems rallied behind her from minute 1 in unprecedented fashion. There was not much thought given to allowing the public to weigh in before she had 1,000 endorsements. They then desperately wanted to face Donald Trump in the general and got that wish! They then proceeded to lose....So I'm tired of hearing it was Sanders fault or ****ing idiot Stein or whomever. Start putting the majority of blame where it belongs...on Clinton and the Dem party for losing to a ****ing clown! Also the Dems have literally lost the country in the last 8 years so maybe some blame towards them for that as well. I sure as **** don't think Stein or Sanders is responsible for that....

Also, it's much harder on the Left to form a consensus when everyone writes twenty million articles on how Sanders isn't wonk enough in his proposals instead of recognizing presidential elections aren't about someone putting forth every last detail but a way of putting forth ideas for where you want to start your negotiations for the country. But no...Vox and the like couldn't stand Sanders non wonky proposals and decided no to Sanders single-payer etc. So how can we stand together when we don't even have a clue as to what our principles are and what type of policy we want? The Right just has a basic go to of phrases for what they want and can easily sell to their base. The Left strokes its own ego about how smart we ****ing are and fights about how Sanders didn't outline the thousand pages needed to push for single-payer and instead provided a broad outline of his goals which is just oh so wrong! FFS.
01-24-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Jake Tapper taking the gloves off 4 days into this ****
Awesome...he's my hero
01-24-2017 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Only someone as galactically stupid as Trump would claim an election he won was fraudulent.

You literally cannot write something as ****ing nuts as this moron.
He's claiming the popular vote was fraudulent not the election. Obviously.
01-24-2017 , 07:52 PM
Tapper has been awesome.
01-24-2017 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
A few posts late so bear with me but....for those of you still arguing Clinton/Sanders/blame, etc. let's not forget that this was Clinton's "turn" and the Dems rallied behind her from minute 1 in unprecedented fashion. There was not much thought given to allowing the public to weigh in before she had 1,000 endorsements. They then desperately wanted to face Donald Trump in the general and got that wish! They then proceeded to lose....So I'm tired of hearing it was Sanders fault or ****ing idiot Stein or whomever. Start putting the majority of blame where it belongs...on Clinton and the Dem party for losing to a ****ing clown! Also the Dems have literally lost the country in the last 8 years so maybe some blame towards them for that as well. I sure as **** don't think Stein or Sanders is responsible for that....

Also, it's much harder on the Left to form a consensus when everyone writes twenty million articles on how Sanders isn't wonk enough in his proposals instead of recognizing presidential elections aren't about someone putting forth every last detail but a way of putting forth ideas for where you want to start your negotiations for the country. But no...Vox and the like couldn't stand Sanders non wonky proposals and decided no to Sanders single-payer etc. So how can we stand together when we don't even have a clue as to what our principles are and what type of policy we want? The Right just has a basic go to of phrases for what they want and can easily sell to their base. The Left strokes its own ego about how smart we ****ing are and fights about how Sanders didn't outline the thousand pages needed to push for single-payer and instead provided a broad outline of his goals which is just oh so wrong! FFS.
Exactly.

It's not rocket science.
01-24-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Only someone as galactically stupid as Trump would claim an election he won was fraudulent.

You literally cannot write something as ****ing nuts as this moron.
Yet, tens of millions of people will agree with him.

It's just so stupid. If the election was going to be rigged, why would it be rigged so that a blue state is winning and not a swing state? JFC.
01-24-2017 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
He's claiming the popular vote was fraudulent not the election. Obviously.
This is a weird point to have to clarify to an adult human being, but the "popular vote" is just a way of comparing aggregate vote totals in the "election."
01-24-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Exactly.
OK. Let's start by getting rid of the EC, gerrymandering, and disenfranchisement.

After that, we can focus on term limits, Super PAC's, and allow non-violent criminals to vote once out of jail.

Then after that...
01-24-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
He's claiming the popular vote was fraudulent not the election. Obviously.
I forgot Americans voted twice, once for the office and once for popular vote.

I'm seriously starting to think some people are just too stupid to be allowed to take part in the electoral process.
01-24-2017 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
He's claiming the popular vote was fraudulent not the election. Obviously.
If we accept his premise that there were 3.5 million illegal votes, how could he possibly prove that he wasn't the one to benefit from them? If there was widespread fraud like this then it wasn't a legitimate election and should have been re-run.
01-24-2017 , 08:01 PM
California obviously.
01-24-2017 , 08:03 PM
Jake Tapper gonna get drone striked by MAD DOG if he doesn't watch himself.
01-24-2017 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I forgot Americans voted twice, once for the office and once for popular vote.

I'm seriously starting to think some people are just too stupid to be allowed to take part in the electoral process.

It's even funnier when you look back on Trump's tweets from the 2012 election bitching about Obama.
01-24-2017 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
California obviously.
How many of the 3-5 million fraudulent votes were in California?
01-24-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I forgot Americans voted twice, once for the office and once for popular vote.

I'm seriously starting to think some people are just too stupid to be allowed to take part in the electoral process.
Hey remember that one time you got me a temp ban for saying you were a stupid poster? I guess we can add hypocrite to your attribute list now.
01-24-2017 , 08:06 PM
Do we have a 115th Congress thread? if not, i guess this is the place for this gem: GOPers in congress have submitted a bill to remove the US from the UN.

we're full-on North Korea mode here, y'all.

Kim Jong Trump!
01-24-2017 , 08:07 PM
All the red-staters in hellholes like Mississippi and Alabama that contribute zero must no longer want CA's tax dollars, right? After all, CA doesn't count anymore.
01-24-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
A few posts late so bear with me but....for those of you still arguing Clinton/Sanders/blame, etc. let's not forget that this was Clinton's "turn" and the Dems rallied behind her from minute 1 in unprecedented fashion. There was not much thought given to allowing the public to weigh in before she had 1,000 endorsements. They then desperately wanted to face Donald Trump in the general and got that wish! They then proceeded to lose....So I'm tired of hearing it was Sanders fault or ****ing idiot Stein or whomever. Start putting the majority of blame where it belongs...on Clinton and the Dem party for losing to a ****ing clown! Also the Dems have literally lost the country in the last 8 years so maybe some blame towards them for that as well. I sure as **** don't think Stein or Sanders is responsible for that....

Also, it's much harder on the Left to form a consensus when everyone writes twenty million articles on how Sanders isn't wonk enough in his proposals instead of recognizing presidential elections aren't about someone putting forth every last detail but a way of putting forth ideas for where you want to start your negotiations for the country. But no...Vox and the like couldn't stand Sanders non wonky proposals and decided no to Sanders single-payer etc. So how can we stand together when we don't even have a clue as to what our principles are and what type of policy we want? The Right just has a basic go to of phrases for what they want and can easily sell to their base. The Left strokes its own ego about how smart we ****ing are and fights about how Sanders didn't outline the thousand pages needed to push for single-payer and instead provided a broad outline of his goals which is just oh so wrong! FFS.
This is kaka.

Sanders' supporters promoted the notion Hillary Clinton couldn't be trusted. Guess what? People who are liberal (some I know) didn't vote for Clinton because of that crap. If you couldn't trust Clinton and voted against her you are responsible for Trump. If you wanted the DNC to be reformed besides DWS getting booted in the moment. It should have waited. Congrats, you did Limbaugh's job for him.

You can read all the Chomsky or Zedd you like, and whine about "elites", and other populist nonsense all you want. But if you promoted the "shillary" nonsense, you sent a clear message that you didn't give a **** about our collective chances of beating Trump.
01-24-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
Hey remember that one time you got me a temp ban for saying you were a stupid poster? I guess we can add hypocrite to your attribute list now.
I never got you banned but if you did get banned I'm sure it was well deserved.
01-24-2017 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
If someone has a deeply held belief that life begins at conception then at no point will they just get over it. Imagine a world where abortion is legal until the 3rd birthday. Would you keep fighting against that or just get over it at some point?
That is the mindset you have to understand and why abortion rights for some people overrides all other considerations.
Yes well maybe because in my country it's become a total non issue. Abortion is legal and that's pretty much it. Lots of people are unhappy about it, but the politicians don't pander to them any more.
01-24-2017 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
How many of the 3-5 million fraudulent votes were in California?
California has the highest number of illegal immigrants, so do the math.
01-24-2017 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
This is kaka.

Sanders' supporters promoted the notion Hillary Clinton couldn't be trusted. Guess what? People who are liberal (some I know) didn't vote for Clinton because of that crap. If you couldn't trust Clinton and voted against her you are responsible for Trump. If you wanted the DNC to be reformed besides DWS getting booted in the moment. It should have waited. Congrats you did Limbaugh's job for him.

You can read all the Chomsky or Zedd you like and whine about "elites" and other populist nonsense all you want. But if you promoted "shillary" nonsense, you sent a clear message that you didn't give a **** about our chances of beating Trump.
It still amazes me how many of you Clinton supporters would have preferred your precious candidate never get attacked during the primary and the fact that she did is why she lost. This argument still pops up on twitter from "prominent" people. If Clinton needed a safe space to win the presidency then maybe she shouldn't have ran in the first place and was a weak candidate! Even 538 tried to quantify contentious primaries to see if they correlated with losses and they found nothing. Don't even need to look further than the Republican primary to see how insanely fractured and nasty that was and yet they won.

Who is Zedd? Like the EDM artist?
01-24-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
California has the highest number of illegal immigrants, so do the math.
Well walk us through it. You make it sound so easy to explain.

      
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