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Originally Posted by eurodp
A few posts late so bear with me but....for those of you still arguing Clinton/Sanders/blame, etc. let's not forget that this was Clinton's "turn" and the Dems rallied behind her from minute 1 in unprecedented fashion. There was not much thought given to allowing the public to weigh in before she had 1,000 endorsements. They then desperately wanted to face Donald Trump in the general and got that wish! They then proceeded to lose....So I'm tired of hearing it was Sanders fault or ****ing idiot Stein or whomever. Start putting the majority of blame where it belongs...on Clinton and the Dem party for losing to a ****ing clown! Also the Dems have literally lost the country in the last 8 years so maybe some blame towards them for that as well. I sure as **** don't think Stein or Sanders is responsible for that....
Also, it's much harder on the Left to form a consensus when everyone writes twenty million articles on how Sanders isn't wonk enough in his proposals instead of recognizing presidential elections aren't about someone putting forth every last detail but a way of putting forth ideas for where you want to start your negotiations for the country. But no...Vox and the like couldn't stand Sanders non wonky proposals and decided no to Sanders single-payer etc. So how can we stand together when we don't even have a clue as to what our principles are and what type of policy we want? The Right just has a basic go to of phrases for what they want and can easily sell to their base. The Left strokes its own ego about how smart we ****ing are and fights about how Sanders didn't outline the thousand pages needed to push for single-payer and instead provided a broad outline of his goals which is just oh so wrong! FFS.
This is kaka.
Sanders' supporters promoted the notion Hillary Clinton couldn't be trusted. Guess what? People who are liberal (some I know) didn't vote for Clinton because of that crap. If you couldn't trust Clinton and voted against her you are responsible for Trump. If you wanted the DNC to be reformed besides DWS getting booted in the moment. It should have waited. Congrats, you did Limbaugh's job for him.
You can read all the Chomsky or Zedd you like, and whine about "elites", and other populist nonsense all you want. But if you promoted the "shillary" nonsense, you sent a clear message that you didn't give a **** about our collective chances of beating Trump.