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02-14-2017 , 03:11 PM

#8951

wheatrich

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Does someone want to chime in with the cliff notes on why we care about Michael Flynn? As best I can tell, he is accused of talking to the Russian Ambassador after the election but before inauguration, which is not cool, but the conversations were already investigated and nothing of substance came up.

Also, why are we upset about improving relations with Russia? Ever since the election, "Russia" has been the go-to buzzword for controversy, a la McCarthyism and "communist."

So what happens next?

He talked about lowering sanctions then lied about it when either is very arguably a snap fire offense. It wasn't a coincidence Putin did nothing when we kicked out a bunch of Russia diplomats.

Russia is run by an dictator who kills/jails political opponents who would love it if freedom died in america. They at least influenced our election results and yet, somehow, a bunch of people think we should be friends.

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02-14-2017 , 03:11 PM

#8952

einbert

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02-14-2017 , 03:13 PM

#8953

einbert

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Originally Posted by .isolated

If it wasn't him it'd be someone else. I find it hard to begrudge anyone for doing their job because money.

Capitalism poisons everything around us.

02-14-2017 , 03:14 PM

#8954

Namath12

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I see now that this must be what it was like to be a Dem under Obama.

lolno

02-14-2017 , 03:14 PM

#8955

SuperUberBob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Inso0

I see now that this must be what it was like to be a Dem under Obama.

I'm excited that you guys are excited. It's a little unclear as to why this is such a big deal, but maybe you can help me out.

Does someone want to chime in with the cliff notes on why we care about Michael Flynn? As best I can tell, he is accused of talking to the Russian Ambassador after the election but before inauguration, which is not cool, but the conversations were already investigated and nothing of substance came up.

Also, why are we upset about improving relations with Russia? Ever since the election, "Russia" has been the go-to buzzword for controversy, a la McCarthyism and "communist."

Or are we still operating under the theory that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate and you think this is the first crack in the foundation that leads to the ultimate collapse and retroactive installment of HRC as POTUS?

Because I gotta be honest with you, this seems like the sort of thing that is gonna be old news in a week when Trump drops an F-bomb during some presser.

So what happens next?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

02-14-2017 , 03:15 PM

#8956

Sighsalot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

Jake Tapper has been doing a pretty elite job as of late.

All of CNN has been excellent IMO and deserve credit for standing up to an authoritarian regime imo

02-14-2017 , 03:16 PM

#8957

Namath12

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Originally Posted by champstark

Reagan is spinning so fast in his grave you'd think he was in The Exorcist after reading your comments about Russia bribing the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER being NBD.

Shocking that someone who gets his news from FOX has no idea what the hubbub is about

02-14-2017 , 03:18 PM

#8958

Namath12

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wonder if this would actually be a violation

02-14-2017 , 03:18 PM

#8959

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

All of CNN has been excellent IMO and deserve credit for standing up to an authoritarian regime imo

Sure, but they are the reason we are in this mess.

02-14-2017 , 03:20 PM

#8960

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

wonder if this would actually be a violation

AFAIK you can't destroy anything written down, that would include texts or messages sent on a messaging app

02-14-2017 , 03:20 PM

#8961

Sighsalot

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Originally Posted by champstark

Sure, but they are the reason we are in this mess.

elaborate...how?

02-14-2017 , 03:20 PM

#8962

Inso0

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Reagan is spinning so fast in his grave you'd think he was in The Exorcist after reading your comments about Russia bribing the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER being NBD.

Link to bribery accusations? I know about the letter that came from Yates, but nobody has provided an ounce of detail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

He talked about lowering sanctions then lied about it when either is very arguably a snap fire offense.

That would be an actual violation of the Logan Act, though. I keep hearing that this was checked into and found to be false.

Is that not correct?

02-14-2017 , 03:22 PM

#8963

Kirbynator

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Originally Posted by dlk9s

Wait, am I reading too much into this or is he basically saying that others were involved?

its a fake twitter account

02-14-2017 , 03:25 PM

#8964

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Link to bribery accusations? I know about the letter that came from Yates, but nobody has provided an ounce of detail.

That would be an actual violation of the Logan Act, though. I keep hearing that this was checked into and found to be false.

Is that not correct?

ohh ohh I wanna play I wanna play

Mike Pence et al denied (in January) that Flynn had discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador during their phone calls, instead saying that their phone calls were about "logistics."

Yesterday, Trump asked for Flynn's resignation, citing "trust" issues.

Why was Flynn asked to resign?

02-14-2017 , 03:25 PM

#8965

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .isolated

I feel for Spicer. Having to walk off with a smile and probably wanting to hang himself via his (nice) tie when he gets behind the door.

I know we're generally pretty rough on Spice Boy, but his tie and pocket square were on point today

02-14-2017 , 03:26 PM

#8966

einbert

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02-14-2017 , 03:26 PM

#8967

CalledDownLight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Inso0

you keep hearing this because you purposely avoid the media outlets that care about the truth

02-14-2017 , 03:27 PM

#8968

CalledDownLight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

I know we're generally pretty rough on Spice Boy, but his tie and pocket square were on point today

yea, Spicy Sean had an elite tie today. Conway should tell everyone to buy it (unless its from Ivanka's line). He's come a long way since that suit the first day.

02-14-2017 , 03:28 PM

#8969

Namath12

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

you keep hearing this because you purposely avoid the media outlets that care about the truth

People are saying things. Tremendous things.

02-14-2017 , 03:28 PM

#8970

BroadwaySushy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .isolated

I feel for Spicer. Having to walk off with a smile and probably wanting to hang himself via his (nice) tie when he gets behind the door.

Come on. It's his job to spin the BS.

That's his job description. Just like every other White House press secretary before him.

02-14-2017 , 03:29 PM

#8971

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Kelly-Ann Conway made the statement a few days ago that Trump's inner-circle, or senior advisers consist of about five or six people. I always felt Priebus was a sketchy choice due to his ties and relationship to the GOPe. I thought Mike Pence's job, like Biden's, was to manage Capital Hill. Knowing the entire government bureaucracy is against Trump, including the MSM, Dem Party, GOPe, I still have faith and trust in DJT. All this news fluff coming everyday is just noise. Nothing serious here.

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02-14-2017 , 03:29 PM

#8972

Namath12

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Multiple intel sources said that yes, Flynn did in fact discuss sanctions with Kislyak.

If this is indeed a violation of the Logan Act why does Spiceworld continue to pitch that no laws were broken?

JAQ ofc

02-14-2017 , 03:29 PM

#8973

einbert

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Congress now trying to pass the issue off to the OGE, even though OGE has no real ability to investigate or enforce ethics policy

Edit: This is in regards to the Conway-Ivanka Trump boondoggle, not the Flynn-Russia-Treason boondoggle.

02-14-2017 , 03:31 PM

#8974

snafoo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

The actual reality of the situation is that Trump faces a steep learning curve going from businessman to President. And he's clearly fumbled around in the first 3 weeks.

So you admit you voted for a candidate who is far from ready for the job of POTUS?

Trump is like someone who thinks he can challenge the World Go Champion because he just has won a few games of connect four.