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02-14-2017 , 01:53 PM

#8851

NxtWrldChamp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

How is it possible that so many intelligent people can't reliably distinguish between real and fake news and discern whether a twitter account belongs to who it claims to?

This

02-14-2017 , 01:54 PM

#8852

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...-a-big-problem

Quote:

But only three or four hours before Flynn resigned, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee (House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence), Devin Nunes, said there was no problem and it was just the President's enemies ("the swamp" in his words) making trouble. "It just seems like there's a lot of nothing here," Nunes told Bloomberg's Steven Dennis.

something something oversight checks and balance etc system works yay USA#1.

6pm: just the swamp making trouble
9pm: problem solved, not looking into this, executive privilege

02-14-2017 , 01:57 PM

#8853

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

How is it possible that so many intelligent people can't reliably distinguish between real and fake news and discern whether a twitter account belongs to who it claims to?

our firmware isn't on your level ldo

02-14-2017 , 02:00 PM

#8854

Namath12

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Spicer in 10 minutes! Popcorn!

I've got him taking a question from Daily Caller, Breitbart and then peaceing out early

Maybe whine about leaks for a few minutes

02-14-2017 , 02:00 PM

#8855

iron81

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I was giving the Noze posts a 30% chance to be sincere, but what made them believable is that they were NOT fake. There really are people out there who feel that stuff is intelligent enough to put on the Internet.

02-14-2017 , 02:01 PM

#8856

DisGunBGud

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Someone post Spicer play by play if possible. I feel bad for the guy at this point.

02-14-2017 , 02:03 PM

#8857

dinopoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Cuban did an interview on the ticket in Dallas last week and I really would be surprised if he ran in any capacity.

He said early on running for president was dumb for trump as it hurt his brand and Cuban is very obviously aware of partisan impact on business. Although he said it's probably been a wash he also noted he really likes to keep things in his life segregated and said he didn't ever talk politics in public for the first nine years he owned the Mavericks. He prefers to limit his political talk to being on news channels and twitter.

Of course we are not even a month into trump's first term. Just guessing on what Cuban said and looking where things might be headed it might not even be necessary. I am a big Cuban fan myself but if we need him to save us from eight years of trump we really are all...

I'm still betting on Oprah or Anthony Robbins.

02-14-2017 , 02:05 PM

#8858

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

Yep, and as any conman can tell you, after you make the initial sale is the time to really bleed the sucker dry as the mark will do anything to try and preserve his dignity rather than admit he has been played for a dumbass. Awval is exhibit A for this.

Just the way Trump is using the office to enrich himself and promote his businesses is insane. May not be the most dangerous/damaging thing he is doing, but so blatant, shameless and undeniably wrong.

He doesn't even try to hide it, this guy has personally paid me a fortune, let me spice up his wedding with an official state visit by the Japanese PM. This company does not want to carry my daughter's products, let me attack them as sitting President! Just got elected President, let me double my club's initiation fees. Let me make a push to have foreign officials stay at my hotel. And on and on.

Disregarding the emoluments clause, the reason ethics laws against using the office for enrichment don't specifically apply to the President is that we trust the people not to elect a scumbag who would do that and for there to be swift public outcry and congressional reaction if someone was dumb enough to try.

"The President can't have a conflict of interest," what kind of insane doubletalk is that????? Of course ANYONE can have a conflict of interest, and the President is in an unbelievable position to abuse that conflict if left unchecked. Awval, have you been gaslighted by all the insane **** he has said that you are just going to nod your head and move along?

Instead, you get awval/Chaffetz shrugging and saying ethics laws don't apply to the President, what do you want me to do about it? I want you to enforce ethical norms and let the President know you want stand for his blatant use of the office of President for personal gain you smug, obtuse, m'fers!!!!!

It really shouldn't come as a surprise. Look at how many people stay in bad relationships and try to justify behavior even if it's to their own detriment. Awval is like the girl that dates the high school QB. Sometimes he hits her, but that's OK, because it's probably her fault. He didn't really mean too. He's just stressed out about the game.

02-14-2017 , 02:05 PM

#8859

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

Guiliani calling for Yates to be prosecuted, it's starting early this morning. In other news CNN and MSNBC have spent about 80% of their coverage on the Flynn resignation so far. Foxnews has maybe mentioned it for 2 minutes total that I've seen

Let me guess - FNC picked this morning to pull out an in-depth expose on food stamp abuse?

02-14-2017 , 02:07 PM

#8860

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

what in the **** were the people lecturing noze last night doing? He was neither trolling nor posting his opinions. This is why some of the idiots on the right have a bad opinion of the public supporters on the left. You guys attack people noze who has been firmly anti-Trump for as long as I remember just for posting quotes from other people.

Um... it's not like that was 100% clear to everyone.

02-14-2017 , 02:07 PM

#8861

DisGunBGud

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Yates prosecuted for what?!?!?! LMFAO getting fired?!?!?!

02-14-2017 , 02:07 PM

#8862

Namath12

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Let me guess - FNC picked this morning to pull out an in-depth expose on food stamp abuse?

lead story earlier on foxnews.com was about WHITE HOUSE LEAKS and why they are bad and what you can do to help stop them

02-14-2017 , 02:08 PM

#8863

Paul McSwizzle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNewT50

Don't see it going away:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politi...nvestigations/

They see this as their out?

We have to imagine every sane R who wants to win re-election knows **** is going to only get worse from 45, but obv doesnt want to throw him under the bus bc of the frothing base.

Maybe they see this as a way to sort of thread that needle and when it comes out that DJT et all were ldo ****ed all along, they can say hey we were just doing our jobs! Plus look at these guys stealing your jobs, they're the REAL problem, vote GOP.

02-14-2017 , 02:09 PM

#8864

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

Someone post Spicer play by play if possible. I feel bad for the guy at this point.

you can watch it here

https://www.c-span.org/video/?424005...rs-white-house

02-14-2017 , 02:10 PM

#8865

DisGunBGud

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

you can watch it here

https://www.c-span.org/video/?424005...rs-white-house

I'm working. Training class on the compy for the day, thanks for the effort tho brother!

02-14-2017 , 02:10 PM

#8866

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Dude on CNN spitting fire about treason.

02-14-2017 , 02:12 PM

#8867

Paul McSwizzle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

I don't think anyone is pretending it's not happening but of all of America's institutions who might prove adversarial and have the authority to achieve anything, we have...

The Democratic Party: powerless, largely inept
Media: mostly inept less a few WaPo reports and others
Law enforcement: powerful but most of the top of the chain now report through Trump
Judiciary: nothing for them here
Intelligence community/deep state: giving it an honest effort
Republican Party: THE LAST HOPE OF THE REPUBLIC

I think there plenty of people who recognize this is abnormal and extraordinary but remember the people both Constitutionally charged with holding Trump accountable are America's crypto surveillance state and law enforcement apparatus now under Trump's control and guys like Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn.

One of the things I've noticed even reaching back to the dawning of Trump in the GOP primaries is the quiet belief there's some collective will or forces beyond what we see to put a stop to bad behavior (manifestation here in this post: "everyone kind of pretends it isn't there.") One of Trump's subtle advantages, whether intentionally leveraged or not, is that we use so many norms and things like shame to police good behavior and Trump simply can't be shamed and isn't aware of or doesn't care for the norms and standards. The world has always dealt with problems like this, it's not a new or exotic one. Now it's on courageous people to act, on agents and guards of the system to move to the next level of enforcement. Americans have for better or worse chosen this moment to anoint the modern Republican Party as the vanguards of the Republic. I am not comforted by this fact but it remains a fact of the system we have, that there's not hidden or unseen forces which can stop Trump and the ones that do exist unfortunately have their interests largely align with his.

I was early on the train of "there wont be a nebulous force that steps in or stops this."

By everyone I guess I meant "the media" - who I wish would be clearer in presenting the overwhelming evidence to the public at large, as well as people more generally. Not institutions but regular people. "Yeah it seems pretty obvious Trump is working with Russia." I'm not hearing that from really anyone.

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02-14-2017 , 02:14 PM

#8868

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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle

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Originally Posted by einbert, May 2016

Trump would probably be big on corporate subsidies, gaining him even more friends in the corporate, union, and mob world. He would probably have no problem subsidizing his own companies, as "they are some of the greatest companies in the world and thus a great investment." And if it becomes a scandal, he'll simply laugh and say he's making America great again. A few months into office, it becomes evident that he can pretty much do anything he wants as his approval rating hovers between 40-42% while there are round-the-clock protests at the White House over the huge new stimulus package (largely aimed at Trump companies and partners) and the new war with China.

The new Attorney General Christie announces his indictment of Hillary Clinton, and she will immediately be put on trial for charges of "Wreckless endangerment of US security" for Benghazi, her email server, and a laundry list of other charges. Cops will be facing more violence, as the BLM protests and mass shootings continue to increase. Trump announces a martial state, hiring 50,000 new cops immediately, but they will be handled by a third party security company, Trump Security. The new cops immediately come in and shut down the protests, by whatever means necessary. They use their new devices to shut down any cell phone cameras in the area.

Trump has weekly television addresses where he talks about how hard he is working to "Make America Great Again". His sons and daughters are appointed to major positions. Donald Trump Jr. becomes the youngest Chief Justice of the United States. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is put on trial for corruption and ethics charges and ultimately sent to prison.

Trump and the Republican Congress pass a new series of laws aimed at protecting law enforcement. They include immunity from prosecution for any shootings occurring "in the normal course of business as a law enforcement officer of the United States" and giving local municipalities complete control over any body camera and cell phone footage that may be created by an incident, whether it is created by the public or the police.

I guess what I'm saying is, he's really gonna make America great again.

02-14-2017 , 02:16 PM

#8869

Namath12

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there's Omarosa! wonder who she's wearing

02-14-2017 , 02:18 PM

#8870

Riverman

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"Hi guys, uh, some Venezuela guy is a drug dealer. Here is Movie Producer Treasury guy...talk to him!"

02-14-2017 , 02:18 PM

#8871

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LOL they just flat out ignoring what happened last night.

02-14-2017 , 02:18 PM

#8872

Namath12

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Mnuchin speaks, identifies a Venezuelan Noriega

02-14-2017 , 02:19 PM

#8873

microbet

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We were all wrong. War is with Venezuela.

02-14-2017 , 02:20 PM

#8874

RV Life

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HTF do you pronounce this guy's name?

Munchkin?
Moonkin?
Noonkin?
Nookin?

02-14-2017 , 02:20 PM

#8875

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

When does the criticism-free grace period end, awval? Two months and we're allowed to question His Royal Trumpiness?

bro he just told you.. in order to call trump woat you need to allow "all time" to elapse first, then evaluate along that timescale

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