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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-13-2017 , 04:31 PM
Legum sums this up:

"200K to Mar-a-Lago basically buys you a seat in the Situation Room"

02-13-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
No, that's just it.

I am ready and willing to get upset about things that actually deserve outrage. So far, this has been a non-stop flood of stories about how politically incorrect Trump is, and how he just "isn't doing it right."

Where's the beef?

You guys need to focus on a few important things to get upset over. Not Ivanka's clothing line and whether or not an impromptu visit to the wedding across the hall was adequately screened by secret service, and if so, how much it cost the taxpayers. Even the not-a-muslim-ban muslim ban doesn't get any traction with rational thinkers. I'm still waiting to be shown the horrible actions that are going to make me "just as ****ed as everyone else" as Goofy puts it.

I'm not even saying those things don't exist, but if they do, it's getting lost in the inane "I AM SO ****ING TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW" posts that clog up the media right now.

Focus!
no. the muslim ban was horrible. it was a blatant infringement on civil rights. it caused thousands of ppl to be inconvenienced and some ppl were detained in small rooms for hours, interrogated, not given proper replenishment and then deported.

that is legit awful. no one deserves to be treated that way and esp not perfectly legal and innocent ppl. just disgusting.

the current deportations are awful too. ppl that have been in this country for decades, never committed any sort of violence, and contributed to the community in many ways are being shipped off to a foreign land. these families are being torn apart as the kids stay here without ppl and their parents, and breadwinners are shipped to a different place.

that is legit heartbreaking and should not happen.

the vast majority of these ppl bring tremendous good to their communities. now their children are left without parents and without means to resources to survice. it is unconscionable.
02-13-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
So welcoming thousands of Syrian refugees is not controversial there and is favored by a strong majority of Canadians?
Yes. That's correct.
02-13-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Yes. That's correct.
I wouldn't go as far as to say not controversial, the conservative party used them as fear mongering in our most recent election. It was also one of the biggest reasons they got roundly defeated after being in power for about a decade.
02-13-2017 , 04:44 PM
"The president of Turkmenistan wins re-election with 98% of the vote" (Up from his 2012 "lanslide" of 97%)

*foreshadowing*
02-13-2017 , 04:44 PM
A bit about Trump strategist Miller.


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“He wanted to sabotage us,” de la Torre said. “He confronted everyone, denying that racism existed. He said that was a thing of the past.”
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Miller only returned Islas' phone calls at the end of the summer, to coldly explain the reason for his estrangement. “I can't be your friend any more because you are Latino,” Islas remembers him saying.
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Some of the students who knew Miller in high school said he had no interests other than radical politics, and that he always seemed unhappy.

“He had a lot of grudges. He didn't go out of his way to go to dances or to have girlfriends,” de la Torre said. “I don't remember ever seeing him smile.”

Others recalled that Miller was very sure of himself, and vehemently expressed his views.
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Miller graduated from Santa Monica High in 2003 and enrolled in Duke University to study political science. He continued pushing his ideals in the student newspaper and conservative media. He also was seen as associated to radicals likeRichard Spencer, creator of the term Alt-Right (although Miller has distanced himself from Spencer), anti-immigration activist*David Horowitz*and white nationalist*Jared Taylor.
So he's a radical extremist, radicalized at a young age and kept in touch with the radical fringe.

http://www.univision.com/univision-n...gration-policy
02-13-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I wouldn't go as far as to say not controversial, the conservative party used them as fear mongering in our most recent election. It was also one of the biggest reasons they got roundly defeated after being in power for about a decade.
And one of the candidates for leader of the Conservatives is doubling down on the fear mongering (but, thankfully, has little support within the party).

Oh, and another candidate is Kevin ****ing O'Leary from Shark Tank.
02-13-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
no. the muslim ban was horrible. it was a blatant infringement on civil rights. it caused thousands of ppl to be inconvenienced and some ppl were detained in small rooms for hours, interrogated, not given proper replenishment and then deported.

that is legit awful. no one deserves to be treated that way and esp not perfectly legal and innocent ppl. just disgusting.

the current deportations are awful too. ppl that have been in this country for decades, never committed any sort of violence, and contributed to the community in many ways are being shipped off to a foreign land. these families are being torn apart as the kids stay here without ppl and their parents, and breadwinners are shipped to a different place.

that is legit heartbreaking and should not happen.

the vast majority of these ppl bring tremendous good to their communities. now their children are left without parents and without means to resources to survice. it is unconscionable.
to be fair, obama laid the groundwork for this, it just got turned up to a higher power. Majority of americans support the obama version and so republican people counter with "so, obama did it and now you're angry" without any sense at all they are arguing that trump's just doing what obama did while still loving trump and hating obama. It's difficult to manage a rebuttal without the phrase go **** yourself.
02-13-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
And one of the candidates for leader of the Conservatives is doubling down on the fear mongering (but, thankfully, has little support within the party).

Oh, and another candidate is Kevin ****ing O'Leary from Shark Tank.
Trump had almost no support within the GOP party and they've already changed to his views/bent the knee.
02-13-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
The answer to the question whom to trust here is so obvious, i cant even think of a good joke here.
02-13-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trump had almost no support within the GOP party and they've already changed to his views/bent the knee.
Canadians tho.
02-13-2017 , 04:56 PM
obama turned ppl away at the border and deported violent criminals.

but he did lay the ground work by helping to institute a system where the "illegals" kept in touch with ICE. now during these ICE encounters, of which some ppl have done for 10-20 years, they are getting deported. its totally disgusting.
02-13-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Even money she asked especially, if my female friends' swoonings are anything to go by.
02-13-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
to be fair, obama laid the groundwork for this, it just got turned up to a higher power. Majority of americans support the obama version and so republican people counter with "so, obama did it and now you're angry" without any sense at all they are arguing that trump's just doing what obama did while still loving trump and hating obama. It's difficult to manage a rebuttal without the phrase go **** yourself.
You should educate yourself on what Obama did and didn't do.
02-13-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I saw a post on Reddit talking about high level intelligence officials withholding secrets from the White House because they assume Trump has his phone on speaker in his pocket with a direct line to the Kremlin. The responders are using stories like this to make themselves feel better, but does anyone actually believe this?
the way i understood it wasn't that the phones were specifically hacked, but that they could no longer trust the president's inner circle with sensitive information.

we've been hearing that the russian connections within trump's inner circle are real, for example isreali journalists uncovered in january U.S. Intelligence Officials Reportedly Warn Israeli Counterparts Against Sharing Info With Trump Administration

so this week we are hearing more and more confirmation that the intelligence community is actually operating on the assumption that the executive office is compromised. one of flynn's long time aides was denied an intelligence clearance.

the case has been building, and i pray to the god of athiests that the next president runs on a platform of NO PARDONS FOR TREASON
02-13-2017 , 05:17 PM
Obama's missing army

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Obama’s army was eager to be put to work. Of the 550,000 people who responded to the survey, 86 percent said they wanted to help Obama pass legislation through grassroots support; 68 percent wanted to help elect state and local candidates who shared his vision. Most impressive of all, more than 50,000 said they personally wanted to run for elected office.

But they never got that chance. In late December, Plouffe and a small group of senior staffers finally made the call, which was endorsed by Obama. The entire campaign machine, renamed Organizing for America, would be folded into the DNC, where it would operate as a fully controlled subsidiary of the Democratic Party. Plouffe stayed on as senior adviser, and put trusted field organizers Mitch Stewart and Jeremy Bird in charge of the new group. Bird says the OFA team was never even told about the idea for Movement 2.0. “None of these documents were even shared with us,” he says. “I’m not sure the senior staff on the campaign even knew they existed.”

Obama unveiled OFA a week before his inauguration. “Volunteers, grassroots leaders, and ordinary citizens will continue to drive the organization,” he promised. But that’s not what happened. Shunted into the DNC, MyBO’s tools for self-organizing were dismantled within a year. Instead of calling on supporters to launch a voter registration drive or build a network of small donors or back state and local candidates, OFA deployed the campaign’s vast email list to hawk coffee mugs and generate thank-you notes to Democratic members of Congress who backed Obama’s initiatives.
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Republicans, on the other hand, wasted no time in building a grassroots machine of their own—one that proved capable of blocking Obama at almost every turn. Within weeks of his inauguration, conservative activists began calling for local “tea parties” to oppose the president’s plan to help foreclosed homeowners. FreedomWorks, an antitax group led by former Representative Dick Armey, and Americans for Prosperity, funded by the Koch brothers, quietly coordinated hundreds of nationwide demonstrations designed to look like a spontaneous populist uprising. When members of Congress went home for the summer to hold town hall meetings with their constituents, they were confronted by well-organized and disruptive protests over health care reform. The grassroots discontent that Obama had harnessed so skillfully in 2008 now belonged to the right.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1402...sroots-machine

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 02-13-2017 at 05:23 PM.
02-13-2017 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Don't let Trump see this or Ottawa will be nuked tonight.
02-13-2017 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I had a trifecta bet on the FBI, Secret Service and local cops as 'most likely to be Trump's SS', e.g., paramilitary officers who take the law into their own hands to satisfy their bloodlust, desire to dominate, and urge to flatter the leader.

But man CBP has to be the favorite now after opening as huge longshots. Looking forward to watching Trump appoint CBP as his personal body-guards, CBP cavalry patrolling the streets for illegals all over America, and CBP Ahnenerbe scientists conducting archeological expeditions into NASCAR speedways to determine the true origins of the white American identity.
This is an old post I know, but On The Media did a fantastic (and horrifying) podcast about CBP last week.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border

Of note, this is almost entirely about the CBP's operations and tactics pre-Trump. The group has been operating under the guise of needless secrecy and impunity since GWB, and routinely acts in a manner that is mean-spirited and completed outside of due process even for American citizens.

Having a doctor perform a cavity search and CAT scan on an innocent American woman on the Mexican border then asending her the doctor's bills for said scan, or detaining a 4 year old alone for 20 hours then deporting her--it's some pretty twisted ****. And there aren't any statistics, or operating norms to compare anything against. It's all done in a black box.

I can totally see CBP becoming the Tonton Macoute of the Trump admin.
02-13-2017 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
You should educate yourself on what Obama did and didn't do.
Only thing that pisses me off more than ***hole statements like this is authoritarianism.
02-13-2017 , 05:30 PM
re: the flynn thing

so wapo posts this 9-sourced piece about how flynn definitely discussed russian sanctions on the phone call (National security adviser Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador, despite denials, officials say) on feb 9


but jan 23 wapo reported (FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit)

so is the newest report in fact confirmation that the fbi is compromised too? there's clearly a disconnect between these 9 intelligence community sources and the post's fbi sources, among everyone who actually heard the tape. i blame giuliani somehow
02-13-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
And one of the candidates for leader of the Conservatives is doubling down on the fear mongering (but, thankfully, has little support within the party).

Oh, and another candidate is Kevin ****ing O'Leary from Shark Tank.
Shark Tank? You mean Dragon's Den
02-13-2017 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
so this whole handshake thing just comes down to Trump trying to show his hands arent that small, right? Doubt he cares about anything else more in life.
No. It's a power move done by aggressive males. The other thing Trump does that's a power move is he points his hands like a "V" in between his legs when the camera is on him.

Look at how Obama is just sitting w/ his hands folded. But Trump is showing dominance.

02-13-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
re: the flynn thing

so wapo posts this 9-sourced piece about how flynn definitely discussed russian sanctions on the phone call (National security adviser Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador, despite denials, officials say) on feb 9


but jan 23 wapo reported (FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit)

so is the newest report in fact confirmation that the fbi is compromised too? there's clearly a disconnect between these 9 intelligence community sources and the post's fbi sources, among everyone who actually heard the tape. i blame giuliani somehow
Yeah, also the NY field office was talked about as strongly anti-Clinton (leaking negative stories about her during the campaign), I took them to just be Republicans at the time but Russian agents explains it too. More on that theory
02-13-2017 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
You should educate yourself on what Obama did and didn't do.
Obama, much like every executive before him, certainly did a great deal to expand the power of the Oval Office. Most simply don't care about it so long as it is our preferred party in power. Then we nonsensically bitch and complain when it is the other guy doing it. Ultimately, we assumed that the American public was competent enough to elect a non-crazy person to be POTUS, so even if the wrong party was elected it wouldn't be so bad. And now here we are.
02-13-2017 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
re: the flynn thing

so wapo posts this 9-sourced piece about how flynn definitely discussed russian sanctions on the phone call (National security adviser Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador, despite denials, officials say) on feb 9


but jan 23 wapo reported (FBI reviewed Flynn’s calls with Russian ambassador but found nothing illicit)

so is the newest report in fact confirmation that the fbi is compromised too? there's clearly a disconnect between these 9 intelligence community sources and the post's fbi sources, among everyone who actually heard the tape. i blame giuliani somehow
I actually think Flynn (and most of the Trump admin) have FISA warrants out on them.

      
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