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02-27-2018 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Ha! I was imagining a Garrison of Trump all ripped running into a school today and felt obligated to post about it after seeing that last cartoon. Ponied on my ideas even ffs.
Gotta have Trump stopping AR bullets with his hands like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix.
02-27-2018 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Well, I did try to do a genuine post at first talking about the Bush vs Trump presidency (which is worse at this point), and that was met with the standard vitriolic reply laden with personal attacks, so it may surprise you that that reduces the amount of interest one has in having an actual discussion with people that want to just cheer each other on.

Once that happens one may as well turn on auto pilot light troll mode vs soft targets.

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
this guy is definitely here for discussion and NOT trolling people by repeating extra condescending phrases as much as possible

edit: oh **** i guess that is what he's doing
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

All the best.
02-27-2018 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
What is the case *for* Kushner being smart?
Jared Kushner went to Harvard undergrad which means he did at least decently in high school and on the SATs.

He went to NYU for JD and MBA which means he did pretty well on LSAT, GMAT, and at Harvard.

Can’t do all that without being pretty smart even if he was the hardest working kid in school.
02-27-2018 , 08:45 PM
Do you really not know how he got into Harvard?
02-27-2018 , 08:48 PM
Monteroy,

I am not one of the people that attacked you. I have never interacted with you afaik. I am more of a lurker and not a regular poster itt, although sometimes I post a lot in spurts, including recently. I have many liberal positions but also some conservative ones. I would like to offer some constructive advice, if you are open to it.

There is not a mob mentality in this thread. There is indeed a group consensus on many issues, on what the right side of the issue is. And judgment of politicians or political parties or sides, based on the evidence. But there is also disagreement among posters, criticism of Democrats, and openness to logical, reasonable arguments.

For example, a while back, I took issue with some claims denouncing all Christians, or at least all evangelical Christians. So I made a series of posts defending evangelical Christians as a whole (which includes minority evangelicals). You might imagine that I was met with huge resistance and denounced by the 2+2 mob. I was not. I was also not personally attacked.

I supported my arguments with actual polls, data, and articles. I discussed this issue with reasonable posters, even if they were on the other side of the argument, as many were. In the end, the other side either admitted my point, or at the very least, backed off.

So there is constructive discussion possible, even when two sides disagree. I suggest to you that you make rational, reasonable arguments that credibly support your position, if you want to be a better poster and have productive discussion. And if met with resistance, either be able to logically support your point, or graciously back off and be open to changing your mind, if you cannot.

From what I gather and what I remember myself, you did not do this previously, and then you left. So when you re-appeared this time, it is understandable if you are met with some personal resistance. You should accept this, acknowledge it, and then move on to making rational, reasonable posts, if you do desire to have constructive discussion.

I do not know if you desire that or not, but I hope so. I write this because my impression of you (prior to today's posts) is not the same as my impression of a BroadwaySushy or poconoder or some such, and I think that rational, reasonable arguments from the other side would be valuable, if you are capable of it. I hope I am not wasting my time in writing this, although that is certainly possible, but I hope that you can post more constructively, and in turn, that the group as a whole responds more constructively.

Do you think that this can happen? It starts with you.
02-27-2018 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Jared Kushner went to Harvard undergrad which means he did at least decently in high school and on the SATs.

He went to NYU for JD and MBA which means he did pretty well on LSAT, GMAT, and at Harvard.

Can’t do all that without being pretty smart even if he was the hardest working kid in school.
Kushner’s father donated $2.5 million to Harvard shortly before his acceptance.

Administrators at his high school said his GPA and SAT scores did not warrant acceptance into Harvard and that he wasn’t that smart
02-27-2018 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Remember, for every minute you are angry you lose 60 seconds of happiness.
Odd post coming from someone who's spent way more time arguing with the forum today than anyone else has spent arguing with you. In the time since you wrote the above:

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Well, I did try to do a genuine post at first talking about the Bush vs Trump presidency (which is worse at this point), and that was met with the standard vitriolic reply laden with personal attacks, so it may surprise you that that reduces the amount of interest one has in having an actual discussion with people that want to just cheer each other on.

Once that happens one may as well turn on auto pilot light troll mode vs soft targets, roll eyes at the small time waste and let everyone go back to their routines. Hope that explained it better, feel free to toss some personal attacks or "taking ball home" comments as is required in the thread.

All the best.
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I appreciate you taking that comeback right off the stiff, red cuff, and continued success in your role of posting silly Trump pictures. Make this thread great again.

All the best.
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Sorry I did not post more for your extremely subtle gotcha routine, but at least you made the best of it. Remember you role and post pictures of Trump, for a good laugh heals a lot of hurt.

All the best.
...plus whatever was in that post you decided to delete, LOL. All the best!
02-27-2018 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
your the best.
02-27-2018 , 08:54 PM
Trump trying to do away with nafta will cause huge conflict from his own base , I want to see it happen for personal reasons and to see the Midwest reaction on it.
02-27-2018 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
All the best.
Alright Monteroy, you've convinced me with your arguments. Trump is a fine + dandy president
02-27-2018 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Jared Kushner went to Harvard undergrad which means he did at least decently in high school and on the SATs.

He went to NYU for JD and MBA which means he did pretty well on LSAT, GMAT, and at Harvard.

Can’t do all that without being pretty smart even if he was the hardest working kid in school.
Someone beat me to it that they paid for him to get into Harvard. They also paid for him to get into NYU. Between NYU and Harvard, they donated $5.5 million to those two schools. Total coincidence though.
02-27-2018 , 09:01 PM
People have donated much more and still saw their kids denied. Dude also graduated with honors from Harvard with degree in government, not exactly a soft major.

Law schools are totally obsessed with numbers. If Kushner did’t at least have decent LSAT NYU would have told him to **** off (and kept the money).
02-27-2018 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Odd post coming from someone who's spent way more time arguing with the forum today than anyone else has spent arguing with you.
Perhaps that is a function of a single person debating 5+ different people as they tag in/out, because math. As well, an infrequent visitor treated so kindly will likely be more active on that specific day.

One of those kind of fun once in a while things, but would be dreadful as a daily grind, and while you guys will never really admit it - it adds a bit of fun in your day as well, for without it it is the daily grind of talking about Trump, which tends to be the definition of sadness projection.

All the best.
02-27-2018 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
People have donated much more and still saw their kids denied. Dude also graduated with honors from Harvard with degree in government, not exactly a soft major.

Law schools are totally obsessed with numbers. If Kushner did’t at least have decent LSAT NYU would have told him to **** off (and kept the money).
90% of his graduating class graduated with honors. I have no specifics on his LSAT scores but the article I posted has his high school administrators saying that his GPA and SAT scores were subpar for Harvard standards and that he was a less than stellar student which was half of your claim as to why he is intelligent. If you are changing it to claim that he is intelligent because he did decent on his LSAT then ok I guess he might be somewhat intelligent.
02-27-2018 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
People have donated much more and still saw their kids denied. Dude also graduated with honors from Harvard with degree in government, not exactly a soft major.

Law schools are totally obsessed with numbers. If Kushner did’t at least have decent LSAT NYU would have told him to **** off (and kept the money).

This is the David Sklansky origin story
02-27-2018 , 09:15 PM
for the love of god please stop talking to monteroy or i'm just giving out random temp bans AND THAT INCLUDES OTHER MODS DON'T TEST ME
02-27-2018 , 09:21 PM
Lieu lobbing grenades on Hayes' show right now
02-27-2018 , 09:26 PM
if Dems win the house in November Lieu needs to be the ****ing speaker ainec
02-27-2018 , 09:34 PM
In the wake of Trump's "I would have run in" comments, WaPo has a nice summary of how he actually reacts to things

It has the hits like being terrified when someone got on his rally stage, being spooked by the eagle, and Vietnam deferment, but did you know about these?

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He also told the radio host that he was terrified of blood.

“I’m not good for medical,” he said in a 2008 interview. “In other words, if you cut your finger and there’s blood pouring out, I’m gone.”
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For decades, presidents have visited troops overseas at least once a year, especially during their first year in office. Vice President Pence went to Afghanistan on Trump’s behalf before Christmas, and he visited troops who are fighting the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq at an undisclosed military base last month.

But Trump has yet to visit a combat zone, despite the United States’ military entanglements overseas.
02-27-2018 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OneEyedPoker
Kushner’s father donated $2.5 million to Harvard shortly before his acceptance.

Administrators at his high school said his GPA and SAT scores did not warrant acceptance into Harvard and that he wasn’t that smart
I didn’t say he did well enough to get in on his own merits. I said he must have done reasonably well, implying at least well enough for Harvard to pretend he was qualified and softs took him over the top.

Besides, there is also the NYU JD/MBA. MBAs have a lot more leeway but law schools are positively obsessed with rankings... a school like NYU trying to break into top tier especially so.

This whole argument is dumb. I think he is smart enough to be dangerous and selfish enough to take the country down for personal gains. That’s a lot worse than being just plain dumb. He’s basically a quieter and more educated version of Trump.

Last edited by grizy; 02-27-2018 at 09:40 PM.
02-27-2018 , 09:36 PM
What do you have to give Sexy Mueller to get charges f ing dropped? Kush Kush in the Bush? If Mueller indicts Kushy or Don jr I will lick his butthole while softly massaging his sack.
02-27-2018 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Loki
for the love of god please stop talking to monteroy or i'm just giving out random temp bans AND THAT INCLUDES OTHER MODS DON'T TEST ME
Banning people for talking to someone on a forum.... LOL
02-27-2018 , 09:47 PM
What a joke the House Intel Committee is. I can't listen to these reports about people (Bannon, Hicks) refusing to answer questions without picturing those people openly snickering and laughing right in the Committee's faces during these jokes of interrogations.

"Ms. Hicks, what can you tell us about President Trump's ties with--"

"Let me stop you right there, PASS." [chuckle chuckle snort]

"Do you have any knowledge of Jared Kushner's--"

"Executive privilege beeyatch!" [guffaw, high-five to lawyer]

"That does not apply in this--"

"ADIOS YEEHAW!" [leaves]
02-27-2018 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
What do you have to give Sexy Mueller to get charges f ing dropped? Kush Kush in the Bush? If Mueller indicts Kushy or Don jr I will lick his butthole while softly massaging his sack.
in numbers, , I approximate that I despise Don Jr. 10.7 times more than Kushner.

Also JR going to jail would have so much more power against his daddy

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Last edited by Kirbynator; 02-27-2018 at 09:59 PM.
02-27-2018 , 09:49 PM
This shouldn't be this hard.

When people say that [PERSON X] in the Trump administration (including all the way up the chain) is stupid, this is a conflation of one or more of the following:

- they are unqualified for the position
- they are incompetent at the position
- they have demonstrated a lack of understanding the position
- they have demonstrated a lack of understanding how government works
- they have demonstrated a lack of understanding the history of US government
- they have demonstrated a lack of understanding of US history
- they have demonstrated a lack of basic human decency.

The fact that the person in question may or may not really be stupid is largely irrelevant.

Glad I could help.

Last edited by whosnext; 02-27-2018 at 09:54 PM.

      
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