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02-12-2017 , 06:48 PM

#8201

JoltinJake

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,236

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbfg

Not sure if him running after Trump's first term is the best idea though. I'm sure Cuban would be a 1000x better president than Trump but after 4 years of Trump I imagine that a lot of americans want a "normal, experienced politician" again.

Nate Silver seems to agree with this, by the way:

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Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 7h7 hours ago
The historical rule is that Dems will nominate someone who contrasts as much as possible with Trump and not a "Democratic version of Trump".

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 7h7 hours ago
For instance, it didn't help Marco Rubio one bit with GOP primary voters that his biography & personality often drew comparisons to Obama.

02-12-2017 , 06:56 PM

#8202

eurodp

adept

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 890

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

the cellphone/social media will be everyone eventually in this admin, they want everyone who isn't 100% with them gone.

So if you're saying bad things about current pres, don't do it on fb or twitter/delete them or don't leave the country I guess.

Maybe I'm confused about what you are saying but restricting our freedom of speech online isn't the correct response. If more stories come out about US Citizens at the border having issues maybe more and more people will wake up. Apparently there is no law requiring you to unblock your phone for CPB agents. So basically you wait there until they let you go is my understanding unless they have reasons to actually not let you in to your own country?

02-12-2017 , 06:58 PM

#8203

57 On Red

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 6,323

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Somewhere like Stoke-On-Trent would probably welcome him.

Or Sunderland. Or Boston, Lincs. Leaverland. Those might be good.

02-12-2017 , 07:00 PM

#8204

prana

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We better hope the reasonable people get mad at this because you know the paranoid idiots that think we are in a huge amount of danger see this dude with a middle eastern sounding name get held up and they are all "**** yeah extreme vetting bro!".

02-12-2017 , 07:00 PM

#8205

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

Hey, I got a question for the Trumpkins here.

You guys support the Muslim ban from 7 countries right? I'm wondering if you guys think this is OK.

Sidd Bikkannavar is a natural-born US citizen who works at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab in Texas. Again, he was born in the United States. He was coming from a country that is NOT on the list of the ban.

He was detained and forced to give up his work related cell phone and PIN number.

So, I'll ask again. Is this OK with you? Or are you guys just full of **** and hate all brown people no matter where they come from?

http://gizmodo.com/border-agent-dema...ore-1792275942

Well, when you have got people in these jobs doing this sort of thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...emphis-airport

anything is possible.

02-12-2017 , 07:01 PM

#8206

Victor

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Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 76,416

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurodp

ofc trumpkins think you should be forced to give access to cell phones and social media accounts. esp if you are brown. citizenship does not matter. and they would also certainly believe that you should be subject to further search, detainment and harassment if there is anything in you private or public correspondence that is deemed anti-american or dangerous. and this would ofc include being a liberal or criticizing the govt.

02-12-2017 , 07:01 PM

#8207

RV Life

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 1,935

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Well, when you have got people in these jobs doing this sort of thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...emphis-airport

anything is possible.

Do you support what happened to the NASA scientist?

02-12-2017 , 07:03 PM

#8208

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

No.

02-12-2017 , 07:03 PM

#8209

RV Life

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 1,935

LOL Trump pissed the media isn't reporting on huge crowds when leaving Florida. The crowds were protesters.

02-12-2017 , 07:06 PM

#8210

CalledDownLight

Toonces the Posting Bot

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 88,413

Cuban should absolutely run against Trump in 2020, but not in the manner you guys are thinking. He should run as a Republican and primary Trump.

02-12-2017 , 07:07 PM

#8211

David Sklansky

Administrator

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,344

Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

These type of arguments can be counterproductive because the other side can easily concede their rightness and go on to set up a procedure that makes allowances for obvious exceptions. If that happens the original objector is exposed as disingenuous because he now has to admit that he wasn't giving the real reason for his opposition to the rule originally. ("Torture doesn't work" being another obvious example.)

02-12-2017 , 07:07 PM

#8212

eurodp

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Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 890

I'm not sure what is more depressing...Trump's tweets or the amount of retweets and likes they get....

02-12-2017 , 07:09 PM

#8213

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prana

and its not just this. these ppl have existed forever with the philosophy that if you are not committing a crime then you should have nothing to hide.

02-12-2017 , 07:09 PM

#8214

hornbug

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 657

Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

LOL Trump pissed the media isn't reporting on huge crowds when leaving Florida. The crowds were protesters.

So the guy tweeting this uses a picture of a hedge holding up a sign as proof of crowds of protesters. LOL

02-12-2017 , 07:14 PM

#8215

Fatal Checkraise

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,413

To the guy saying that Miller looks like a guy from a Nazi Movie.

02-12-2017 , 07:15 PM

#8216

Jiggymike

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hornbug

So the guy tweeting this uses a picture of a hedge holding up a sign as proof of crowds of protesters. LOL

Hey hornbug how do you feel about Trump getting paid with taxpayer money to host foreign dignitaries at his own resort, or people using membership as a way to gain access to the President? Seems like the kind of thing you were terribly worried about wrt "crooked" Hillary.

02-12-2017 , 07:32 PM

#8217

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eurodp

I'm not sure what is more depressing...Trump's tweets or the amount of retweets and likes they get....

It's probably 90% Russian botnets.

02-12-2017 , 07:38 PM

#8218

aoFrantic

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 25,218

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurodp

I'm not sure what is more depressing...Trump's tweets or the amount of retweets and likes they get....

They're like 80% bots.

02-12-2017 , 07:40 PM

#8219

wheatrich

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Just say they're all paid for russian bots. It's what they would do in reverse.

02-12-2017 , 07:42 PM

#8220

RV Life

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Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 1,935

Quote:

Originally Posted by hornbug

So the guy tweeting this uses a picture of a hedge holding up a sign as proof of crowds of protesters. LOL

As usual, you are missing the point. There's more important things for the media to cover other than the size of the crowds Trump thinks is supporting him.

Trump LITERALLY thinks the media should be talking about how people are supporting him while getting on a plane. It's absurd, bizarre, and egotistical.

But of course you don't see this.

02-12-2017 , 07:48 PM

#8221

eurodp

adept

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 890

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

and its not just this. these ppl have existed forever with the philosophy that if you are not committing a crime then you should have nothing to hide.

Tbh this is what a lot of people think as it is one of those naive lines of thought. I have had family members and friends express things like this when we start talking about privacy, etc. They think that the reality they are not doing anything wrong will save them. Too bad the goalpost of what is "wrong" can always be changed and that the overall freedom to be able to have a private life is important. I guess you can always ask them how they feel about government cameras in their bathroom or something to make sure that while they are taking a **** they aren't committing crimes?

02-12-2017 , 08:02 PM

#8222

.isolated

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

Hey, I got a question for the Trumpkins here....

To me this has already been answered. Two weeks ago, a five year old was arrested, detained, and unable to see his mother until let go. Absurd. That not being bad enough, I find this even worse: Sean mother****ing Spicer defended this detention by saying something to the effect of anyone being able to do anything. There's no hope for people that are still pro-Trump, unless it effects them, of course.

02-12-2017 , 08:12 PM

#8223

Dominic

Tripod

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 74,882

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise

To the guy saying that Miller looks like a guy from a Nazi Movie.

Gotta get a #MillerIsGoebbels going.

02-12-2017 , 08:19 PM

#8224

AllTheCheese

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Just in case you weren't sure already, basically every word uttered by Miller this morning was a lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-fraud-claims/