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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-12-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
On the subject of asset forfeiture laws, surely it shouldn't be too difficult to get the gun lobby to be opposed to them.
Why?

Because guns get seized? If so, why would they care about that? Because money is taken from some people who might buy guns? Well, it goes to people who definitely will buy guns.
02-12-2017 , 02:31 PM
Guess what groups are huge pushers of asset forfeiture laws and also some of the biggest supporters of Trump's campaign? Police and other law enforcement unions.
02-12-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
On the subject of asset forfeiture laws, surely it shouldn't be too difficult to get the gun lobby to be opposed to them.
nah, the NRA didn't care when Philando Castile and Alton Sterling were shot to death while legally carrying, they won't care about asset forfeiture because it's associated with racial minorities
02-12-2017 , 02:36 PM
I mean if the pro gun lobby will fight for the gun acquisition rights of people on the no fly list and support wilderness militia squatting on public land then surely it won't be too hard to attempt to frame asset forfeiture laws in such a way to sow dissent.
02-12-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
On the subject of asset forfeiture laws, surely it shouldn't be too difficult to get the gun lobby to be opposed to them.

Yeah, considering asset forfeiture is a way that they could actually have their guns taken from them

But it comes down to what was said above: they don't think it'll happen to them when republicans are doing it, only if filthy libruls are doing it and Fox News tells them it's bad

Last edited by Nicholasp27; 02-12-2017 at 02:44 PM.
02-12-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
nah, the NRA didn't care when Philando Castile and Alton Sterling were shot to death while legally carrying, they won't care about asset forfeiture because it's associated with racial minorities
That's when you have a face to the case. All you have to do is seize some dude's guns for expired license to generate uproar.
02-12-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
One of my friends voted for Trump is a special education teacher.
I will never understand this for the life of me.

Like, for those unemployed factory workers for whom Trump's jobs speeches resonated, I get it. Obviously Trump isn't going to do **** for those people, but at least I can understand why they might be drawn to the message.

But a teacher voting for Trump? WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT?
02-12-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Guess what groups are huge pushers of asset forfeiture laws and also some of the biggest supporters of Trump's campaign? Police and other law enforcement unions.
That's because they get to keep at least some of the spoils. Legal theft.

Another one of those laws where the original point was to go after cartels which was good but then they went too far and just started taking $ from whoever the **** they felt like.
02-12-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
More generally, one of the reasons why Trumpkins support Trump is because they believe that the bad stuff he wants to do just won't happen to them.

Ending Obamacare is fine, but if a specific Trumpkin loses his health insurance with a replacement, then he's no longer a Trumpkin.
You're way too optimistic on this one. Majority of them will still support him because most of the bad stuff happened to other people or die I suppose.
02-12-2017 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
I will never understand this for the life of me.

A teacher voting for Trump? WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT?
People literally voting to fire or hurt themselves has always fascinated me.
02-12-2017 , 03:03 PM
its unbelievable and so frustrating seeing Trump spitting lies after lies after lies on his twitter and knowing all his followers will think theyre facts without giving a ****.

Like yesterday he said Sanders called CNN fake news, which was proven a lie a few minutes later.

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02-12-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
I will never understand this for the life of me.

Like, for those unemployed factory workers for whom Trump's jobs speeches resonated, I get it. Obviously Trump isn't going to do **** for those people, but at least I can understand why they might be drawn to the message.

But a teacher voting for Trump? WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT?
I think the real problem here is an overestimation of the mental abilities of the average HS teacher.

In all seriousness and fairness to the teachers education wasn't an issue that came up often during the campaign, and I can't think of too much that was said during that time that would make one think he'd make such an awful pick for Sec of Ed.
02-12-2017 , 03:07 PM
He blatantly mocked a disabled kid, and it's a special ed teacher is the point.
02-12-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
I will never understand this for the life of me.

Like, for those unemployed factory workers for whom Trump's jobs speeches resonated, I get it. Obviously Trump isn't going to do **** for those people, but at least I can understand why they might be drawn to the message.

But a teacher voting for Trump? WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT?
I know, I don't get it either. I mentioned this earlier ITT that my sister in law's son had a stroke when he was born. He's paralyzed on one side and blind in one eye. Not only does my SIL love Trump, she LOVES DeVos. She hates government so much that she won't even put her son on SSDI even though he would clearly benefit from it. And my brother pays for a lot of it even though it's not his son.

Some people are just so far over the deep end with Trump. *shrugs*
02-12-2017 , 03:19 PM
Having worked with the disabled and mentally ill in the past I can promise you not everyone in that line of work has compassion for the clientele.
02-12-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Having worked with the disabled and mentally ill in the past I can promise you not everyone in that line of work has compassion for the clientele.
not what I was getting at, I'm getting at the odds they just voted to fire themselves part.

Naturally spec ed teachers are generally the least paid/most valuable to society people in the entire building but the first to get fired because that's standard.
02-12-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
I will never understand this for the life of me.

Like, for those unemployed factory workers for whom Trump's jobs speeches resonated, I get it. Obviously Trump isn't going to do **** for those people, but at least I can understand why they might be drawn to the message.

But a teacher voting for Trump? WHAT THE **** DID YOU EXPECT?
Our schools are being overrun by Mexican kids who don't want to assimilate or learn English and your tax dollars are going to pay for free lunches for kids who have iPhones. They just want to live off the government and be on welfare instead of getting an education and a job.
02-12-2017 , 03:51 PM
Miller just spouting lie after lie this morning...
02-12-2017 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Stuff My Mom Says
Our schools are being overrun by Mexican kids who don't want to assimilate or learn English and your tax dollars are going to pay for free lunches for kids who have iPhones. They just want to live off the government and be on welfare instead of getting an education and a job.
...while at the same time stealing all our jobs jerbs because they're willing to work 80-hour weeks for like $3/hr. They're like Schrodinger's immigrants.
02-12-2017 , 04:02 PM
JFC



There are some descriptions if this that give the appearance that this is Rep. Bilirakas, but it is a local GOP party official.
02-12-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stuff My Mom Says
Our schools are being overrun by Mexican kids who don't want to assimilate or learn English and your tax dollars are going to pay for free lunches for kids who have iPhones. They just want to live off the government and be on welfare instead of getting an education and a job.
This account has major potential.
02-12-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
He's 70 years old and never heard of this? Unreal. And he didn't get it. I think he thought they were talking about who gets the drugs when the cops make a seizure. And he totally missed the other side of the issue.
well tbf, the cops totally dodged giving him the true information and the possible downsides. the cops made it seem that drug dealers were being allowed to keep the proceeds of their drug running. ofc he is against that. anyone would be.

the main issue with asset forfeiture is that the gov can file a case against the asset and that asset does not have the same rights as a person. thus they can take the money without necessarily proving that it was part of a drug deal.

ofc these cops did not explain that to trump.
02-12-2017 , 04:16 PM
Republicans talking death panels again. These are the worst human alive.
02-12-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea you are already seeing it with teachers that hate DeVos. One of my friends voted for Trump is a special education teacher. She turned on Trump as soon as DeVos was sworn in. Now she regrets voting for him and is working on her resume. She told me most of her co-workers are pissed as well.
special ed teacher that I knew initially supported trump but switched to hilary pretty quickly after realizing how big of a clown he was. she had been a lifelong republican so I was pretty impressed by her change.

everyone else in her school that teaches learning disabled kids went trump and she was pretty much ostracized. pretty sad. and ofc none of those ppl have a bad thing to say about devos even tho their jobs are now legit threatened. ppl are so weird.
02-12-2017 , 04:23 PM
Anyway, the Donald's state visit to Britain has now been scheduled for August or September, when Parliament's in recess, so he won't get to address Parliament like W or Obama -- because MPs would boycott him if he tried. And the visit won't centre on London, to try and avoid the obvious demonstrations against him. They're even thinking of putting on a speech at the National Exhibition Centre in... Birmingham.

Also, the Queen is at Balmoral around then. So the visit may mostly have to be hosted by the Prince of Wales. Perhaps he can take the Donald for a nice long walk round the maze at Hampton Court, from which he can't escape, and treat him to a nice long talk on global warming. It's planned for the Donald to visit Scotland, where his mother came from, so he could drop in on the Queen but he won't be allowed to bug her for too long.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ueen-elizabeth

I don't envy my old friend the vice-admiral who has to organise these things, but he's skippered warships and headed high-command formations and served in several wars, so I don't suppose it'll faze him.

      
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