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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-10-2017 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Former New Hampshire GOP chairman


A commissioner on the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) called on President Trump to give proof of voter fraud, after he reportedly made further claims in a meeting with senators.

Trump reportedly blamed voter fraud for why both he and former Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) lost in New Hampshire last November during a recent meeting with a bipartisan group of senators.

“The scheme the President of the United States alleges would constitute thousands of felony criminal offenses under New Hampshire law,” Commissioner Ellen Weintraub said in a statement Friday.


“The President has issued an extraordinarily serious and specific charge,” added Weintraub, who was appointed by former President George W. Bush. "Allegations of this magnitude cannot be ignored.”

“I therefore call upon President Trump to immediately share his evidence with the public and with the appropriate law-enforcement authorities so that his allegations may be investigated promptly and thoroughly.”
02-10-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
It would probably look less like the US Civil war and more like civil wars / conflicts in some other places like the Communist takeovers in China or Cuba. More guerilla tactics and small skirmishes, fewer formal battles between large massed armies.
Full-on civil war in the US would be interesting to see played out, in like an alternate universe simulation or something. Blue regions control most of the economy and communications networks, and have many global allies. Red regions have most of the troops, weaponry and energy reserves, but are largely going it alone.
02-10-2017 , 10:30 PM
It would be just like last time. All the manufacturing and intelligence is in blue states. LOL the south forever and always.
02-10-2017 , 10:50 PM
Before the civil war the US had a tiny poorly equipped Army with regional loyalties. We basically can't have a civil war where half the military fights the other half. Besides, both sides would have nukes.

If we peacefully separate the Blue GDP is 10 times the Red GDP in 10 years.
02-10-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Before the civil war the US had a tiny poorly equipped Army with regional loyalties. We basically can't have a civil war where half the military fights the other half. Besides, both sides would have nukes.

If we peacefully separate the Blue GDP is 10 times the Red GDP in 10 years.
Any kind of civil war wouldn't resemble anything like the Civil War. There'd be splitered factions, numbered by the ****ing thousands, all waging assymetrical war across the country with no clear geographic lines. Those would emerge over time from refugees and **** fleeing certain areas.

In any event, this is incredibly unlikely at the moment. But a failed executive and various branches of government systemically failing because no one cares about Constitutional governance... and... these scenarios increase in probability. It can happen rather swiftly as well.
02-10-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
It would be just like last time. All the manufacturing and intelligence is in blue states. LOL the south forever and always.
LOL yea this.

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Originally Posted by microbet
Before the civil war the US had a tiny poorly equipped Army with regional loyalties. We basically can't have a civil war where half the military fights the other half. Besides, both sides would have nukes.

If we peacefully separate the Blue GDP is 10 times the Red GDP in 10 years.
Both sides having nukes really doesn't mean anything. WTF is the point of nuking your neighbor when you gotta live there too?
02-10-2017 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Okay I know most of us at one point or another said "boy we need an outsider to get to Washington and straighten things out."

Can we all agree now that we were dumb for ever thinking that. For better or worse the US federal government is a ridiculously intricate labyrinth that requires actual training and experience to function in.

(...)

And let's not be tempted as there are some extremely bright people who we think would do well in that environment but please future me read this and know it won't work.
I am not convinced that Trump conclusively proved that an outsider cannot be a good president. Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Warren Buffett or a similar person who excelled in their field might not know the first thing about nuclear policy, trade relations with China or K-12 education. We can't expect any president to be sufficiently versed in all those topics. Put an exceedingly smart and intellectually curious person in a briefing room with expert advisors and that president will be able to make good decisions. Then have the right people at his side to help him navigate the treacherous waters of congress and lobbyists.
02-10-2017 , 11:31 PM
Carl Higbie says he's being considered for Spicer's press sec job. Higbie is the guy who suggested the Japanese internment camps are precedent for a Muslim registry. Big shoes to fill, but hey, he might be up for it.
02-10-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Not sure if Donjr is talking about snow

jfc, i hate trump as much as the next guy but hes clearly talking about snow.

if you were just making a light hearted whimsical joke, i apologize. i honestly cant even tell anymore
02-10-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Both sides having nukes really doesn't mean anything. WTF is the point of nuking your neighbor when you gotta live there too?
That was the logic of mutually assured destruction. Reagan understood it. Trump might get it about a microsecond before he is incinerated.
02-10-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Both sides having nukes really doesn't mean anything. WTF is the point of nuking your neighbor when you gotta live there too?
The same holds true for the US and Russia and it's why we have danced around it over the last 70 years, but the US Military has essentially never directly engaged with the Soviet/Russian Military.

No nuclear power is going to quietly lose a war is really the assumption that should make such a war impossible.
02-10-2017 , 11:54 PM
In, "more fun leaks from the spooks" news, Russia is apparently discussing handing over Snowden as a "gift" to Trump.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ficial-n718921

Hard to tell whether this is really serious vs. just the Russians chatting through a bunch of different strategic options, but the results could be interesting.
02-10-2017 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
That was the logic of mutually assured destruction. Reagan understood it. Trump might get it about a microsecond before he is incinerated.
I think it's possible to believe that China doesn't have mutually assured destruction with 260 warheads, limited missile skills, and a US missile defense especially if they are hit with the first strike - which makes Trump's being the person with a finger on the trigger pretty horrific.

Trump being besties with Russia doesn't help.
02-10-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
I am not convinced that Trump conclusively proved that an outsider cannot be a good president. Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Warren Buffett or a similar person who excelled in their field might not know the first thing about nuclear policy, trade relations with China or K-12 education. We can't expect any president to be sufficiently versed in all those topics. Put an exceedingly smart and intellectually curious person in a briefing room with expert advisors and that president will be able to make good decisions. Then have the right people at his side to help him navigate the treacherous waters of congress and lobbyists.
Elon Musk could go soooo right or soooo wrong as POTUS.
02-11-2017 , 12:13 AM
Even against Russia, there were people who thought we could win a nuclear war. It all seems insane. The triad, the mobile Peacekeeper system, the armed bombers in the air 24-7, all that stuff. It seemed to me we might as well detonate the missiles in their silos for all the good it would do to launch them.
02-11-2017 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
In, "more fun leaks from the spooks" news, Russia is apparently discussing handing over Snowden as a "gift" to Trump.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ficial-n718921

Hard to tell whether this is really serious vs. just the Russians chatting through a bunch of different strategic options, but the results could be interesting.
I will protest the **** out of a Snowden prosecution.
02-11-2017 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
I am not convinced that Trump conclusively proved that an outsider cannot be a good president. Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Warren Buffett or a similar person who excelled in their field might not know the first thing about nuclear policy, trade relations with China or K-12 education. We can't expect any president to be sufficiently versed in all those topics. Put an exceedingly smart and intellectually curious person in a briefing room with expert advisors and that president will be able to make good decisions. Then have the right people at his side to help him navigate the treacherous waters of congress and lobbyists.
There are 500,000 people in this category. People go into politics because they want to do something important but are too stupid to master microbiology or subjects of that ilk.
02-11-2017 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
It seemed to me we might as well detonate the missiles in their silos for all the good it would do to launch them.
We tried that once; it didn't do much good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_D...sile_explosion
02-11-2017 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
We tried that once; it didn't do much good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_D...sile_explosion
I meant detonate the warheads.

Here's some good news. Maybe Trump wasn't listening when they explained the nuclear button.

02-11-2017 , 12:40 AM
At this point we're really just waiting for that first terrorist attack to see how Trump responds.
02-11-2017 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
At this point we're really just waiting for that first terrorist attack to see how Trump responds.
02-11-2017 , 12:42 AM
02-11-2017 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Pulaski
jfc, i hate trump as much as the next guy but hes clearly talking about snow.

if you were just making a light hearted whimsical joke, i apologize. i honestly cant even tell anymore
Yes, I was just making a joke. Brown and Nasty just jumped out at me.
02-11-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by lumberajack
Just keep a camera on Bernie 24/7 and watch Trump's approval rating plummet.
02-11-2017 , 01:19 AM
Top Flynn deputy, denied a (higher level) security clearance by the CIA. Flynn described as mad, waging a "Jihad" against IC

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-trump-234923

So much self-inflicted nonsense.

      
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