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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-10-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


I'll defer to people who have security clearance but lol.
the only thing trump knows about handling classified material is LOCK HER UP
02-10-2017 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Not sure if Donjr is talking about snow

white is beautiful and brown is nasty, look we all get it you don't need to be this explicit. hillary really ****ed up in the presidential debate when she said trump's kids are one good thing about him
02-10-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
How though? It's not North vs South. It's rural vs urban. Unless you mean a coalition of states vote to secede? But even then you still have the rural vs urban. Even CA,OR and WA have huge red areas that would never go along w/ the blue parts of their states.


It would probably look less like the US Civil war and more like civil wars / conflicts in some other places like the Communist takeovers in China or Cuba. More guerilla tactics and small skirmishes, fewer formal battles between large massed armies.
02-10-2017 , 08:40 PM
There seems to be some very nefarious characters and activity within this administration. There's a lot more "bad" being done than "good". That's pretty obvious out of the gate. However. the spineless republican congress is going to directly lead to the decline of a safe and democratic US by aligning with a malignant leader.

There's a fine line between being political martyrdom and standing up for what is right and wrong. The fact that the Republicans are so spineless that they'd rather align themselves with malignancy than stand up for the greater good of the nation is appalling and quite unnerving.

Left/Right/Center there still is a moral standard right?

My wife and I had a humorous conversation about liquidating our assets and buying a condo in Tahiti and settling on island life. Obviously this is a hyperbolic response but I semi-heartedly wish it were truly and option.
02-10-2017 , 08:43 PM
Please God tell me the CIA has something wrt to that 19.5% sale of Rosneft. It looked suspicious as hell at the time, and it's looking worse and worse.
02-10-2017 , 08:47 PM
Okay I know most of us at one point or another said "boy we need an outsider to get to Washington and straighten things out."

Can we all agree now that we were dumb for ever thinking that. For better or worse the US federal government is a ridiculously intricate labyrinth that requires actual training and experience to function in.

Was probably my biggest issue with people saying "but Clinton". The floor of a Clinton presidency was gridlock and a mediocre extension of Obama's presidency. That was literally the worst case scenario. But at least the people in charge would know how to turn door knobs and how to turn the lights on and off.

And let's not be tempted as there are some extremely bright people who we think would do well in that environment but please future me read this and know it won't work. Instead we have to work on better choosing and molding those capable of operating in the system. Not just F it let's bring in the clown car and see how many people get out.

I have seen some claim hysteria and overreaction. I only have my lifetime experience and those near enough. So let's say even though I was a baby I could go back to Nixon. This entire thing is unprecedented and none of it is in a good way.

What's worse is the standing of the country and average citizen was and is in relatively good standing, even coming on the heels of a massive recession.

Tl;dr WAAF
02-10-2017 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
There seems to be some very nefarious characters and activity within this administration. There's a lot more "bad" being done than "good". That's pretty obvious out of the gate. However. the spineless republican congress is going to directly lead to the decline of a safe and democratic US by aligning with a malignant leader.

There's a fine line between being political martyrdom and standing up for what is right and wrong. The fact that the Republicans are so spineless that they'd rather align themselves with malignancy than stand up for the greater good of the nation is appalling and quite unnerving.

Left/Right/Center there still is a moral standard right?

My wife and I had a humorous conversation about liquidating our assets and buying a condo in Tahiti and settling on island life. Obviously this is a hyperbolic response but I semi-heartedly wish it were truly and option.
Yeah my biggest fear with a trump presidency is what it meant for congress. The problem is they haven't even started their nefarious works publically. It will happen. They are more than happy for Trump and president Bannon to light the country on fire so they can ultimately do what they want with little attention or mind.

They will not do anything to rein him in as it doesn't benefit them at all and the number of members in congress with integrity is tiny.
02-10-2017 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut




This is the backstory:

Trump brought up the issue while meeting with 10 senators who were there ostensibly to focus on Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch. Ayotte was in the room because she has signed on with the White House to shepherd Gorsuch through the confirmation process.

A source familiar with the meeting confirmed that before the meeting turned to Gorsuch, the president told the group that he and Ayotte lost in New Hampshire because thousands of people were “brought in on buses” from Massachusetts to “illegally” vote in New Hampshire.


www.wmur.com/article/trump-blames-his-ayottes-nh-losses-on-thousands-of-illegal-massachusetts-voters/8729704
I want to know who this people voted as? Even the most rudimentary jurisdictions have actual voter rolls, they don't just let people walk up and vote.

So in all these conspiracies how does this part work? Besides the part where they secretly get 10s of thousands of deads and fakes on the voter lists.

This seems like an extraordinarily amount of work to try and steal New Hamp****d but what do I know? I still think that the towers got hit by planes.
02-10-2017 , 08:57 PM
Federal agents conduct immigration enforcement raids in at least six states
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Gillian Christensen, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, confirmed that agents this week had raided homes and workplaces in Atlanta, the Los Angeles area and two other cities that she declined to identify, as part of “routine” immigration enforcement actions. ICE does not use the term raids.

But immigration activists said Friday that they had documented ICE raids of unusual intensity in the past 48 hours in Vista, Pomona and Compton, Calif.; Austin, Dallas, and Pflugerville, Texas; Alexandria and Annandale, Va.; Charlotte and Burlington, N.C.; Plant City, Fla.; the Hudson Valley region of New York; and Wichita, Kan.

There were also reports of ICE checkpoints, targeting immigrants for random ID checks, in North Carolina and in Austin, according to advocates.
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Federal immigration officials declined Friday to say how many people had been detained in the recent raids. A DHS official confirmed that while immigration agents were targeting criminals, they also were taking into custody non-criminals in the vicinity who were found to be lacking documentation.

“Big cities tend to have a lot of illegal immigrants,” said one immigration official who was not authorized to speak publicly because of the sensitive nature of the operation. “They’re going to a target-rich environment.”
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In some cities, activists said that ICE had set up roadside or neighborhood checkpoints, where ICE agents, often in unmarked cars, appeared to be asking people at random for proof of citizenship or identification.
02-10-2017 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Okay I know most of us at one point or another said "boy we need an outsider to get to Washington and straighten things out."

Can we all agree now that we were dumb for ever thinking that. For better or worse the US federal government is a ridiculously intricate labyrinth that requires actual training and experience to function in.

Was probably my biggest issue with people saying "but Clinton". The floor of a Clinton presidency was gridlock and a mediocre extension of Obama's presidency. That was literally the worst case scenario. But at least the people in charge would know how to turn door knobs and how to turn the lights on and off.

And let's not be tempted as there are some extremely bright people who we think would do well in that environment but please future me read this and know it won't work. Instead we have to work on better choosing and molding those capable of operating in the system. Not just F it let's bring in the clown car and see how many people get out.

I have seen some claim hysteria and overreaction. I only have my lifetime experience and those near enough. So let's say even though I was a baby I could go back to Nixon. This entire thing is unprecedented and none of it is in a good way.

What's worse is the standing of the country and average citizen was and is in relatively good standing, even coming on the heels of a massive recession.

Tl;dr WAAF
No this is dumb. The Schumer's and McCain's of the world still need to go. And they don't need to be replaced by future Schumer's and McCain's.
02-10-2017 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Obviously, though, right? One of the benefits of being rich is that you have way better risk mitigation strategies than a regular bozo. Rich people can gamble a lot more on politics just like they can in casinos. Lots of rich people are sharp enough to understand that the downside risks of Trump were way larger than an average politician but went to bat for him because they calculated they can fade a lot of the terribleness, including some really bad case scenarios.

All along during the Trump era, going back to the campaign, I think there's been this quiet, unspoken assumption there is some shadowy band of elites or just the effects of some questionable set of incentives that will force people to confront and ultimately defeat Trump. I understand the psychological need for that; it would be comforting if it were true. But it's not.

Here's the thing: there were plenty of wealthy elites who voted for or explicitly supported Trump but understood the risks as normal people describe them. They are just calculating they can still come out of it OK.

I feel like I had this conversation with bobman recently, who was expressing some disappointment with the mainstream GOPers for not subverting Trump. I was *sort of* giving him one half of a lecture for being naive and one half of a lecture for the despicable nature of anyone who tolerated the last 40 years of the elite + extreme right-winger media/thought bubble nexus. People say the left looks down on the angry white tribalists and surely they do, but the right has been ****ing taunting them. They've been training them like dog fighters condition Mastiffs. They've been making ever increasing promises drifting ever more from reality with escalating preposterous rhetoric about scape-goats and fostering their fear and paranoia -- all in the service of less taxes and less regulation. This whole insanity has been transparently been building and the GOP, companies and interests allied with their outcomes have been engaged in it for decades now.

And the responsible parties knew what they were doing and kept on taunting the dogs and giving them scraps and giving it bait animals to work with.

And when **** hits the fan and the dogs go berserk in the pit and start attacking everyone, the trainers and the owners and the bookies are going to be the first ones out of the arena. No question. Don't expect any less. They won't be the vanguard defense corps of the dog fighting game to settle things down and get the dogs back on their leashes. Come now. Anyone who is sleeping better because they know elites seem a little disengaged and careless now but once their profits are threatened or we veer away from stability, they'll set things right THEN -- won't happen. This is why you don't cynically cultivate anger and fear and paranoia in people and we all should have done more to raise the alarm, because the people doing it had absolutely no mitigation strategies or plans to clean things up if they went south. Well, they did, but their back-up plans were for them, not you. Twas ever thus.
Wasn't going to quote all this but it is a very good point. The wealthy have fewer downsides with a Trump administration as the bad parts are insulated by their wealth.

The irony of shouts of crony capitalism towards Clinton is that I doubt it has ever been easier for a wealthy business person to get an audience with the president. I think Trump would meet with pretty much any fairer skinned super wealthy American.

So their wealth protects them from most of the real dangers, including a potential civil war, while they financially profit from a bevy of potential changes designed to enrich them. There are some uber rich people with integrity but it is probably about the same percentage as congress.
02-10-2017 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


I'll defer to people who have security clearance but lol.
your security clearance would be yanked immediately and escorted from the building.
02-10-2017 , 09:06 PM
I like the quote that big cities tend to have a lot of illegal immigrants. That is some next level thinking.
02-10-2017 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
No this is dumb. The Schumer's and McCain's of the world still need to go. And they don't need to be replaced by future Schumer's and McCain's.
Wasn't what I was implying at all.
02-10-2017 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I want to know who this people voted as? Even the most rudimentary jurisdictions have actual voter rolls, they don't just let people walk up and vote.

So in all these conspiracies how does this part work? Besides the part where they secretly get 10s of thousands of deads and fakes on the voter lists.

This seems like an extraordinarily amount of work to try and steal New Hamp****d but what do I know? I still think that the towers got hit by planes.
I know they checked my ID against the list


And no, I am not from Mass!
02-10-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Let's say conclusive proof comes out that Trump is on the take, that we can prove he is treasonous in some way. Is there a possibility of a recall election? Nobody voted Pence into office, and there is no way to assume he didn't have some idea it was going on. A traitor winning the election due to outside influence seems like perfect grounds for a recall.
thing is, it really doesnt matter. pence is just as bad as trump. republicans are evil and incompetent. they will continue to kill this country by destroying the poor and middle class for the benefit of the rich. they will continue to destroy meaningful banking regulations so that ppl get screwed and the chance of a crash occurs. they will continue to destroy the environment.

pence may actually be worse bc he will actively work to strip lgbt of their rights.

and he may be worse bc he could actually be competent enough to make this stuff work and go through. trump has a far higher chance of effin it up due to his idiocy.
02-10-2017 , 09:16 PM
This is America now:

02-10-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Okay I know most of us at one point or another said "boy we need an outsider to get to Washington and straighten things out."

Can we all agree now that we were dumb for ever thinking that. For better or worse the US federal government is a ridiculously intricate labyrinth that requires actual training and experience to function in.

Was probably my biggest issue with people saying "but Clinton". The floor of a Clinton presidency was gridlock and a mediocre extension of Obama's presidency. That was literally the worst case scenario. But at least the people in charge would know how to turn door knobs and how to turn the lights on and off.

And let's not be tempted as there are some extremely bright people who we think would do well in that environment but please future me read this and know it won't work. Instead we have to work on better choosing and molding those capable of operating in the system. Not just F it let's bring in the clown car and see how many people get out.

I have seen some claim hysteria and overreaction. I only have my lifetime experience and those near enough. So let's say even though I was a baby I could go back to Nixon. This entire thing is unprecedented and none of it is in a good way.

What's worse is the standing of the country and average citizen was and is in relatively good standing, even coming on the heels of a massive recession.

Tl;dr WAAF
looking for a political outsider was always dumb. There were plenty of people who never wanted that in the first place. The establishment is the establishment for a reason and part of that reason is that it works better than having outsiders run the government.
02-10-2017 , 09:23 PM
I honestly think most of the GOP in office has no idea what can happen w/ a Trump presidency. Like, they support the Muslim ban but don't really draw the connection to fascism, xenophobia, and racism. A lot of them (all?) have never witnessed true discrimination and refuse to acknowledge it. Remember, a lot of them have lived sheltered lives and have never been exposed to anything bad.

That's why the Muslim ban is just "Pragmatic common sense. It's unfortunate things have gotten so bad in this country that we need to do this, but it's necessary." They are ignoring the fact that a bully literally wants to turn the US to a white nationalist country. They won't stand up to Trump for the same reason people in school don't stand up to a bully. They are afraid of what might happen to them.
02-10-2017 , 09:25 PM
the president told reporters he hadn't heard about the general flynn russia sanctions phone call story. the case is building for trump having dementia with his world controlled by flynn/bannon
02-10-2017 , 09:33 PM
He wouldn't have heard the story though unless he heard it on TV, and the dossier leak got the media talking about something else in it. I mean it's far easier to just scream fake news rather than actually read or listen.
02-10-2017 , 09:36 PM
02-10-2017 , 09:47 PM



--President Donald
02-10-2017 , 09:57 PM
Former New Hampshire GOP chairman

02-10-2017 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lumberajack
Trump, the deplorables, and a good chunk of the right giddily use 'Pocahontas' as a derogatory term, but they're definitely not racist. Trust them, nobody respects minorities more than them. Everyone's just too uptight and pc.

      
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