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02-10-2017 , 04:44 PM

#7751

suzzer99

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Here's my hot take: Dems should not try to "run" anyone. Go Republican style, run 17 ppl, and whoever lights the base's butts on fire wins.

02-10-2017 , 04:45 PM

#7752

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Why should we care what GOP voters think, moderate or otherwise?

Motivating the other side is a factor.

02-10-2017 , 04:47 PM

#7753

zikzak

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The Democrats have lost every single Presidential election in 30+ years when they've run a centrist candidate appealing to the middle.

02-10-2017 , 04:57 PM

#7754

Riverman

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Well, that's just not true. Clinton ran as a centrist and Democrats have won 6/7 popular votes. That said, I agree that running a moderate in 2020 is suicide.

02-10-2017 , 04:58 PM

#7755

zikzak

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Clinton ran on youth and charisma. His centrism was beside the point.

02-10-2017 , 04:59 PM

#7756

Stinky Stu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by epcfast

The article actually said that before yesterday they hadn't spoken since Nov 14th

So, he doesn't read or cannot read? Not sure which.

02-10-2017 , 04:59 PM

#7757

Kirbynator

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Hmm, really? Has anyone voiced opposition to Warren?

i think microbet got it wrong, the democrats in here arent scared of warren, theyre scared of her running in 2020 and losing.

02-10-2017 , 05:00 PM

#7758

einbert

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Let's see which Democrat can produce meaningful obstruction between now and 2018 before we start picking favorites.

02-10-2017 , 05:03 PM

#7759

Parlay Slow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pudley4

Business taxes going down is not going to have any significant effect on the job market or on individual prosperity below the 1%. Businesses (mare accurately the C-Class execs) are already slaves to their profit and margin; they aren't going to take this new gift and suddenly give it to their employees or go on massive hiring binges, or cut prices (lol).

The same holds true for giving the 1% a tax cut - Richie Richards isn't being held back from "creating jobs" because he's only taking home $10mm a year instead of $14mm. He's just going to pocket that money.

Ideally this point and it's cousin - "corporations just pass tax hikes onto consumers" - would be obvious to college educated people.

02-10-2017 , 05:09 PM

#7760

campfirewest

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Why should we care what GOP voters think, moderate or otherwise?

Because they're almost half of the people who cast votes. Alienate them all and then you need to run the table to win anything.

02-10-2017 , 05:14 PM

#7761

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

The Democrats have lost every single Presidential election in 30+ years when they've run a centrist candidate appealing to the middle.

I didn't say centrist. I said maybe someone right-wing media hasn't had a decade+ to vilify. I don't get 10% of the Bernie hate vibe from (R)s that I get for Warren.

02-10-2017 , 05:16 PM

#7762

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Quote:

Originally Posted by campfirewest

Because they're almost half of the people who cast votes. Alienate them all and then you need to run the table to win anything.

If Trump didn't motivate them to vote (D) it's not going to happen. However, they might stay home or vote 3rd party in 2020.

02-10-2017 , 05:17 PM

#7763

bobman0330

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Clinton ran on youth and charisma. His centrism was beside the point.

No True Centrist!

02-10-2017 , 05:19 PM

#7764

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there's probably a decent portion of (dumb) democrats that voted for Trump to "**** the establishment" that should come back in 2020 after seeing Trump is even more corrupt and a lot more incompetent.

And in theory there should be less and less republicans every 4 years... but who knows

02-10-2017 , 05:19 PM

#7765

BroadwaySushy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by campfirewest

Because they're almost half of the people who cast votes. Alienate them all and then you need to run the table to win anything.

Yeah, you seriously wonder if these guys will ever learn anything from the recent election.

02-10-2017 , 05:23 PM

#7766

aflametotheground

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Here's my hot take: Dems should not try to "run" anyone. Go Republican style, run 17 ppl, and whoever lights the base's butts on fire wins.

They are not so coordinated or united that they "run anyone" anyways.

02-10-2017 , 05:24 PM

#7767

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Clinton ran on youth and charisma. His centrism was beside the point.

This is right and it hardly matters whether the candidates are left right or center. Aside from the automatic party line voters, people vote for the person they like the most or hate the least and they think are on their side.

Bill Clinton felt their pain.

Too many people believed Trump was going to look out for them.

A lot of people like Obama and a lot of people liked Reagan.

02-10-2017 , 05:25 PM

#7768

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aflametotheground

They are not so coordinated or united that they "run anyone" anyways.

They sure as hell were on Clinton.

02-10-2017 , 05:27 PM

#7769

fatkid

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Man this Flynn guy is a colossal dip stick.

02-10-2017 , 05:30 PM

#7770

SuperUberBob

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The Dems need another Huey Long type of politician to run in 2020 if they want to prevent Trump from getting a second term.

Otherwise more jerky handshakes shall be had.

02-10-2017 , 05:30 PM

#7771

JonnyA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I didn't say centrist. I said maybe someone right-wing media hasn't had a decade+ to vilify. I don't get 10% of the Bernie hate vibe from (R)s that I get for Warren.

That's because the Rs didn't turn their focus to attacking Bernie. They wanted him to do as much damage to Hillary in the primary, so didn't attack him very much (if at all). They've been attacking Warren since she's been viewed as a serious presidential candidate for the last few years.

No matter who the Dem's run for president, the right wing media will tear into, and given the length of the election cycle, I don't think it really matters whether Dems run someone new that hasn't yet been attacked or someone like Warren.

02-10-2017 , 05:31 PM

#7772

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

The Dems need another Huey Long type of politician to run in 2020 if they want to prevent Trump from getting a second term.

Otherwise more jerky handshakes shall be had.

I am totally not resigned to Trump serving the whole four years.

02-10-2017 , 05:36 PM

#7773

SuperUberBob

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GOP Senators who disagree with Trump just have to grit their teeth because their voters have massive hard-ons for this guy. Going against Trump would surely be political suicide. Trump could **** a GOP Senator's wife in public and that Senator would still support him. Because of that, there'll never be enough support to get Trump removed from office.

Only poor health and a lone gunman on a grassy knoll serve as threats to Trump finishing his first term.

02-10-2017 , 05:38 PM

#7774

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

The Dems need another Huey Long type of politician to run in 2020 if they want to prevent Trump from getting a second term.

Otherwise more jerky handshakes shall be had.

02-10-2017 , 05:39 PM

#7775

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

GOP Senators who disagree with Trump just have to grit their teeth because their donors have massive hard-ons for tax cuts and no regulatory oversight. Going against Trump would surely be political suicide. Trump could **** a GOP Senator's wife in public and that Senator would still support him. Because of that, there'll never be enough support to get Trump removed from office.

Only poor health and a lone gunman on a grassy knoll serve as threats to Trump finishing his first term.

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