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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-24-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Trump's candidacy had nothing to do with conservative ideology. He promised free ponies out the wazoo. As we now know - Republicans have zero ideology. The entire right-wing movement can be summed up as "stick it to libtards". Twas always thus, we just didn't realize it.

Republicans win because olds always vote and they vote overwhelmingly for anyone with an (R) in front of their name. That firewall proved to be stronger than the Clinton firewall.
And there's always going to be olds. What do you suggest?

Euthanase anyone over 50.
01-24-2017 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
I don't know. I do know that Warren Buffet is a major share holder of the train company that is transporting all the oil now.
Last I checked Warren Buffet wasn't President; neither is Hillary Clinton, so neither of them are relevant when discussing Trump's conflicts.
01-24-2017 , 02:31 PM
Soros though. Always relevant.
01-24-2017 , 02:35 PM
People keep saying this whole thing seems like Movie/TV fiction come true (e.g. Black Mirror). But I think it's more like the background plot of a 1st person shooter (say CoD) or a real time strategy wargame.
01-24-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
They better get out of the road. Seriously you guys in CA think it's bad try living in these areas.



Bill would protect drivers from legal consequences if they inadvertently hit, injure or kill pedestrians who are obstructing traffic.
Under current law they could probably just get out and shoot them, say they felt threatened, and never see a jail.
01-24-2017 , 02:37 PM
Buffet backed Hillary. And he gives all his $$ away. So logically...
01-24-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
People keep saying this whole thing seems like Movie/TV fiction come true (e.g. Black Mirror). But I think it's more like the background plot of a 1st person shooter (say CoD) or a real time strategy wargame.
01-24-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Hopefully you can make a distinction between me mocking Jill Stein/ex Bernie supporters who threw the election to Trump and the people actually affected by DAPL. Come on man.
They didn't throw the election to Trump. You can't just pick on of the many many many groups of people who didn't vote for HRC and say they threw it to Trump. Very few of those people had anything to do with Jill Stein and most of the Bernie supporters did vote for HRC. It was on her to get people to vote for her, the same as everyone said a million times that it was on Bernie to get people to vote for him in the primary. YOU voted for the worst candidate in the primary. It's more your fault.

And everyone on earth is actually affected by DAPL.
01-24-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
It should be known a Champstark's Law that anything he prefaces with "wait, you guys actually support ______" is something he's wildly wrong on. Those people weren't going to stop Trump getting elected, dude, and it's kind of destructive to go around after the election like "aahhhhh Trump won, I guess liberals should stop doing anything good that might have slighted conservatives the wrong way".
Not Ralph Nader's fault that Bush won in 2000, either, was it?

If you seriously believe that Jill Stein and the Bernie people who refused to vote for or actively worked against Hillary (which were a small minority, to be clear) had no effect on the election, then you are living in the alternative facts universe along with the Trumpkins. This election was so close that small things like this actually mattered.

And my argument was that liberals who were checking in to DAPL on Facebook like they had done their part to fix things were much better off posting an article about Trump's failures as a businessman and his lies. The focus was wrong the week before the election.
01-24-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I was thinking about this this morning. It seems like Trump thought that once he became president all the negative **** and horrible popularity ratings (which you know he cares about 100x more than any previous president) would go away.

Now that he realizes it won't - maybe he gets back to his roots of standing in opposition to (R) dogma and promising some free ponies for white people.

It's either that or start a war.
Yeah have we ever had a POTUS obsessed with being recognized for winning the election like this? Most are obsessed with getting to work. Did he think it would be months of parades and parties?
01-24-2017 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
There are ex Delta ops there from a private security firm overseeing everything and already hack everyone's phone with flyovers. My friend is native and was there for a bit and I have friends that have protested there. They are just itching to beat some people down.

http://www.tigerswan.com/
They have a bill in ND now trying to make it easier to run over protestors. A lot of very awful people have very awful intentions.
01-24-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
At the charity roast dinner the two seemed to be quite affectionate towrds one another.
I don't particularly care what Melania thinks of Trump. She wasn't happy there, but the point was lol at d10's fantasy. No one thought Trump actually said something terrible to her right there.
01-24-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
They didn't throw the election to Trump. You can't just pick on of the many many many groups of people who didn't vote for HRC and say they threw it to Trump. Very few of those people had anything to do with Jill Stein and most of the Bernie supporters did vote for HRC. It was on her to get people to vote for her, the same as everyone said a million times that it was on Bernie to get people to vote for him in the primary. YOU voted for the worst candidate in the primary. It's more your fault.

And everyone on earth is actually affected by DAPL.
I refuse to believe that Susan Sarandon and Jill Stein throwing their hands up in the air after Hillary won the nomination and telling people that they should burn it down rather than vote for herhad no effect whatsoever on anything. Considering the amount of votes Stein/Johnson/Trump got from ex-Bernie supporters (yes, a small amount, but still there, most likely especially in the key swing states).

I've acknowledged and said that in retrospect it looks like Bernie was the better candidate. If he had won the nomination, I can't imagine doing anything other than supporting him 100%.

I agree 100% with you that Hillary effectively failed to get people to vote for her. One of many reasons you can point to that she lost. My point is that all of these things mattered in such a close election and one thing going a different way may have been the difference.
01-24-2017 , 02:50 PM
Hillary got 3 million more votes. Don't blame a bunch of hippies that not all votes are created equal in the US sham democracy.
01-24-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
Trump is a man-child
Lol lol those crazy fers voted for a guy obsessed with how he appears over what he does. This is probably the worst possible trait for a president possible.
01-24-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
They better get out of the road. Seriously you guys in CA think it's bad try living in these areas.



Bill would protect drivers from legal consequences if they inadvertently hit, injure or kill pedestrians who are obstructing traffic.
Do these guys have no shame? What do they say when they're teaching their kids to drive? "Remember, pedestrians always have the right of way, always be looking out for people, especially kids in the street... Unless they're there on purpose, then it's open season."
01-24-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Not Ralph Nader's fault that Bush won in 2000, either, was it?

If you seriously believe that Jill Stein and the Bernie people who refused to vote for or actively worked against Hillary (which were a small minority, to be clear) had no effect on the election, then you are living in the alternative facts universe along with the Trumpkins. This election was so close that small things like this actually mattered.

And my argument was that liberals who were checking in to DAPL on Facebook like they had done their part to fix things were much better off posting an article about Trump's failures as a businessman and his lies. The focus was wrong the week before the election.
Well then get that stick out of your ass!

90 million people didn't vote for Hillary. Maybe you should have tried to get more of them. Maybe it's their fault. Maybe the guy in dreadlocks wasn't going to vote for HRC no matter what. It wasn't that people took their ball and went home. They liked Bernie, but they weren't loyal democrats. And it's their fault that Trump won? Ok, w/e, but they have a lot of company, but you rant about them like clockwork.

It's hilarious that people donated to DAPL? Post your bank statement and let's see everything that you spent money on besides donating to Hillary. (as if the problem was Hillary not getting enough money)
01-24-2017 , 02:56 PM
so that's a photo of the protest march on the 21st, right?
01-24-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
The calculus in my moms head:

80 million things she hates about Trump vs... Abortion.

It's a real Sophie's Choice for her.
I really don't understand why these people don't just get over it. Like abortion has been legal in the US for what, 40 years now? Why do they keep fighting this battle?
01-24-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
I refuse to believe that Susan Sarandon and Jill Stein throwing their hands up in the air after Hillary won the nomination and telling people that they should burn it down rather than vote for herhad no effect whatsoever on anything. Considering the amount of votes Stein/Johnson/Trump got from ex-Bernie supporters (yes, a small amount, but still there, most likely especially in the key swing states).
Fair point, but you've made it like once a week forever now.

Last edited by microbet; 01-24-2017 at 03:06 PM.
01-24-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Well then get that stick out of your ass!

90 million people didn't vote for Hillary. Maybe you should have tried to get more of them. Maybe it's their fault. Maybe the guy in dreadlocks wasn't going to vote for HRC no matter what. It wasn't that people took their ball and went home. They liked Bernie, but they weren't loyal democrats. And it's their fault that Trump won? Ok, w/e, but they have a lot of company, but you rant about them like clockwork.

It's hilarious that people donated to DAPL? Post your bank statement and let's see everything that you spent money on besides donating to Hillary.
I never said anything about donating, see above post in relation to that part. I never donated to Hillary and never would have. I only supported her because I thought (incorrectly, obviously--but also before Trump won the nomination) that she had the better chance to win the general. I would have vastly preferred Biden, or even O'Malley, at the time.

Anyway, my overall point that I'm trying to make (and I hope you agree) is that Democrats need to have a laser-like focus on achieving our objectives at all times, like Republicans do. We failed in that regard before the election (in ways that we just discussed) and it looks like we are still failing. I said this before--it's time to let the more progressive members take the lead and see what they can do. I support them 100% (I mean FFS in the end I agree with 95% of what progressives stand for, probably more than I do most "moderate" Dems).
01-24-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
so that's a photo of the protest march on the 21st, right?
Omg please be true
01-24-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
What? Many on the right like ketchup on their hotdogs what does that have to do with anything?
I think all *real* Americans can agree that anyone who uses ketchup instead of mustard on a hotdog is not a real American and deserves to be deported ASAP. This is a bipartisan issue.
01-24-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Not Ralph Nader's fault that Bush won in 2000, either, was it?
Oh for sure, the DAPL is just like a candidate that took 100k votes in a state decided by 500 votes, that makes total sense

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Originally Posted by champstark
If you seriously believe that Jill Stein and the Bernie people who refused to vote for or actively worked against Hillary (which were a small minority, to be clear) had no effect on the election
Who said that???? I sure didn't!

Your posting is awful right now.

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Originally Posted by champstark
And my argument was that liberals who were checking in to DAPL on Facebook like they had done their part to fix things were much better off posting an article about Trump's failures as a businessman and his lies. The focus was wrong the week before the election.
Maybe they could have done both? Lots probably did.
01-24-2017 , 03:02 PM
January 24th, 2017

WH Press Secretary is asked about Trumps belief that massive voter fraud occurred in the 2016 election.

"It's just something he believes and has believed for a long time"

LOLOLOLOLOL

      
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