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02-09-2017 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by semicompetent
Judicial activism, pure and simple. There is a reason the 9th Circuit is the most overturned Circuit. What happened to the plenary power of the President for national security and border control? Section 1182(f) of immigration law clearly gives the President the right to make the call to deny entry to aliens of a foreign country that he believes would be detrimental to the interests of the U.S. Enjoy your short-lived victory.
I love how people keep pointing out too that one of these judges and the Seattle judge was appointed by George W. That's totally irrelevant. Once you sit in a district or circuit that is grossly liberal for that long you tend to move to the left to conform.
02-09-2017 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
"semi" seems charitable
Post of the thread.
02-09-2017 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
"semi" seems charitable
02-09-2017 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by d10
Threaten to see them in court as well. I think he's just so used to threatening legal action to get "wins" because it works against contractors who can't afford to fight back he doesn't understand this is a completely meaningless threat to make against the judiciary itself. He just doesn't know any other way.
Yea Trump is so used to fighting with money he doesn't realize it won't work in this case.
02-09-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
Are we sure that Trump would get more than 2 votes on the SC? This thing looking kinda dead at the moment.
I don't see why the supreme court would even bother to hear it. It expires in 120 days and its written so poorly even the White House didn't understand what it meant wrt to green card holders.
02-09-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
I love how people keep pointing out too that one of these judges and the Seattle judge was appointed by George W. That's totally irrelevant. Once you sit in a district or circuit that is grossly liberal for that long you tend to move to the left to conform.
Must be all the gay dust blowing in the wind there hey?

Why do all trumpkins state totally made up bull**** as if it's fact? You all get together after the kkk rallies and teach other this rhetorical device?
02-09-2017 , 09:03 PM
Time for a new minority leader
02-09-2017 , 09:04 PM
02-09-2017 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
I love how people keep pointing out too that one of these judges and the Seattle judge was appointed by George W. That's totally irrelevant. Once you sit in a district or circuit that is grossly liberal for that long you tend to move to the left to conform.
My prediction as an attorney and court watcher: The supreme court does not overturn the TRO, and the decision isn't 4-4. I think Kennedy and Roberts go along with the liberals on this one, maybe even Alito. Thomas votes for Trump. Could even be unanimous to just send it back to district court to reach the merits before the supreme court hears it.
02-09-2017 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Yeah uh Steve Bannon and Breitbart are maybe not ****ing Machiavellian masters of politics, but instead just idiots who lucked into a ****ing perfect storm of racism, idiotic media failures, and the right opponent?
um..

*blank stare*

*blink*

*blank stare*

Hey, home movies a great!
02-09-2017 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
I love how people keep pointing out too that one of these judges and the Seattle judge was appointed by George W. That's totally irrelevant. Once you sit in a district or circuit that is grossly liberal for that long you tend to move to the left to conform.
stats citation pls
02-09-2017 , 09:10 PM
BMOL and semicompetent could apparently benefit from this rather simple post:

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Like, I mean, it's this simple, I tried to express this before:

The fact that the President has specific authority to control immigration does NOT mean he has UNREVIEWABLE authority to do so, OR that he has authority to enforce that authority in UNCONSTITUTIONAL WAYS.

But he thinks it does. The DOJ was arguing that it does.

That is so. ****ing. stupid. It's so simple, and it's kind of THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

Seriously, how ****ing stupid are these people?
But I dunno, get on their level?

EDIT: By the way, that was written before I read the opinion, which states the same thing rather plainly:

"The Government contends that the district court lacked authority to enjoin enforcement of the Executive Order because the President has 'unreviewable authority to suspend the admission of any class of aliens.' The Government does not merely argue that courts owe substantial deference to the immigration and national security policy determinations of the political branches - an uncontroversial principle that is well-grounded in our jurisprudence. . . Instead, the Government has taken the position that the President's decisions about immigration policy, particularly when motivated by national security concerns, are unreviewable, even if those actions potentially contravene constitutional rights and protections. The Government indeed asserts that it violates separation of powers for the judiciary to entertain a constitutional challenge to executive actions such as this one.

There is no precedent to support this claimed unreviewability, which runs contrary to the fundamental structure of our constitutional democracy . . . Within our system, it is the role of the judiciary to interpret the law, a duty that will sometimes require the '[r]esolution of litigation challenging the constitutional authority of one of the three branches.'"
02-09-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
I doubt anyone would have been banned for asking for the likes of Castro's death in the forum, should be no different for the ****ing lying bigoted bastard.

I'd go further and say wishing he was dead is something to be commended. **** is all sorts of crazy.
Complete lunatics are now the President and Vice-President. Both are completely empty suits who would be incapable of managing a drive through, much less the federal government.

The third man in line would snap sign a bill to defund Medicare, should he ever get the chance to take office.

We would need three assassinations to get the country to mildly +EV, and the ensuing chaos of that much carnage at the top would almost certain wreck the country.

As an emotional sentiment I understand, but Trump actually getting killed improves ~0 if Pence takes over, he's obviously on board. If anything the fact that he would be able to push the agenda with less confrontation makes him scarier, imo.

The best weapon against Trump will be his own abrasiveness. It will also be the literal impossibility of making good on his campaign promises regarding tariffs and trade.

The GOP could still try to primary him in 2020. It may be possible, or even necessary to prevent a set back in congress, to test him next go round if the administration enacts any of their trade policies. China, Canada, and Mexico are our three largest trading partners. "Ripping up NAFTA" + ending most favored status for China = bad recession.

If they really give the base what they want on trade they'll kill their own chances in 2020.
02-09-2017 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Some unreliable dude said more than all the other circuits combined on my TV today. An actual source would be cool if anybody has the data.
The ninth does about 3 or 4 times the volume of other circuits. From 1999 to 2008 it had 12% more cases overturned than the median circuit. It's a high percentage but not because the court is hinky or anything.

http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdf
02-09-2017 , 09:15 PM
My prediction as a non attorney is that the SCOTUS denies cert on the TRO, tosses the EO eventually 6-2.
02-09-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
My prediction as a non attorney is that the SCOTUS denies cert on the TRO, tosses the EO eventually 6-2.
Not feeling especially bold, eh?
02-09-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trolling someone who threatened to put you in jail is a really stupid thing to do. 3-0 years you'll be in prison if he gets desperate hillary. Your strat at this point is to lie low and hope he forgets you existed.
don't listen to him, hillary! mandela this bitch!
02-09-2017 , 09:18 PM
Only posting because of the clown car
02-09-2017 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trolling someone who threatened to put you in jail is a really stupid thing to do. 3-0 years you'll be in prison if he gets desperate hillary. Your strat at this point is to lie low and hope he forgets you existed.
You desperately need to google due process.
02-09-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Some unreliable dude said more than all the other circuits combined on my TV today. An actual source would be cool if anybody has the data.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/sc...-the-circuits/


Data is a little old, but it was the first google result and a reliable souce, so I figured it's a good first take...

Factual Cliffs:

- There is a general bias towards overturning. Every circuit has a greater than 50% reversal rate.

- For the time period studied, 9th circuit was reversed more than average (high 70%), but two other circuits had higher rates.

- 9th Circuit accounts for higher than average volume (25%+).

The article mostly uses % instead of raw numbers, so I guess that that the 9th circuit could have more cases overturned if you were measuring by the number of cases, but, even then, I don't think it would be more than the COMBINED total of the other circuits.
02-09-2017 , 09:23 PM
Nice looking country. If the Left Coast wanted to secede the Trumpers in the rest of the country would probably say "good riddance."
02-09-2017 , 09:25 PM
@CPHoya Even amongst the non stupids in Trump country no one follows the SC as a hobby. You can get through schooling without ever being asked to articulate the principle of judicial review. Most would get angry or change the subject if you tried to engage them in a conversation about a case.

Last edited by stinkubus; 02-09-2017 at 09:28 PM. Reason: typos!
02-09-2017 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Yeah uh Steve Bannon and Breitbart are maybe not ****ing Machiavellian masters of politics, but instead just idiots who lucked into a ****ing perfect storm of racism, idiotic media failures, and the right opponent?
I'm pretty sure the interviewer peed his pants half way through.
02-09-2017 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
washington ag on tv rn claiming "complete victory" over trump lol
Yeah, Ferguson is a ****ing BOSS
02-09-2017 , 09:27 PM
Would be interesting to know how often SCOTUS overturns 9-0 decisions.

      
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