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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-09-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Joshfan
I wish I shared this optimism.
Social media definitely makes it harder to shut people out. For all the **** the liberal base takes, they are engaged, connected, and well educated, and are on the lookout for voter suppression schemes etc. R states will jam some stuff through and yes, Jeff Sessions is now AG, but I think liberals can make enough of a fuss to avoid a lot of the worst timelines where huge swaths are outright prevented from voting.

We (this board, as well as society more broadly) often forget how much our politics is dictated by scared white old people, *because they vote.* Young people don't vote. Not because they are prevented from doing so, but because they are lazy. That laziness is in part bc of a belief that it doesn't matter anyways as all politicians are the same. What if that changes?

I think they (the base, and young people more broadly) will punch back hard. There is a sense of defeatism in liberal boomers/Gen Xs that were politically conscious through the Bush years that I dont see in Millenial and Snapchat progressives. Many of them have only known Obama and this is such an aggressive and transparent regression from that that they feel no choice to take to the streets. 45 is doing and proposing such nonsense; it shouldnt be surprising that a simultaneously well connected and well informed group is rising in unity to resist. You see it in the protests. Of course this is going to result in more turnout.

Also, the tea party did serious work with like 1/10th energy and numbers, to say nothing of tech savvy and raw intellect. Yes, it was coopted by smart, powerful people for their own ends, but I'd still take replacement level resister over replacement level tea partier in terms of potential to make something happen.

In sum - yeah it's bad and we are right to fear direct attacks on voting rights, but the optimist in me replies that the egregiousness of this takeover has awoken and mobilized the young in a way that could significantly change the map.
02-09-2017 , 03:20 PM
Spicer is extra-spicy today. He could lose it at any moment.
02-09-2017 , 03:20 PM
spicer briefing delivering today
02-09-2017 , 03:22 PM
Wow this is amazing. Spicy about to hit that dude with his podium.

Have press briefings been like this for previous administrations?
02-09-2017 , 03:23 PM
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Oversight chairman calls White House aide's promotion of Ivanka Trump brand `clearly over the line, unacceptable'
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‏@AlexNBCNews
Chaffetz on Conway promoting Ivanka brand: “That was wrong, wrong, wrong. It is wholly unacceptable no if, ands or buts about it
Lol when the White House is so far over the line that Chaffetz can't even ignore it.

Last edited by 425kid; 02-09-2017 at 03:31 PM.
02-09-2017 , 03:31 PM
Sweet ramping up the drug war. Just what we need.
02-09-2017 , 03:32 PM
this is 100% a circus and embarrassment.
02-09-2017 , 03:39 PM
I hope Trudeau doesn't take too much **** from this clown administration on Monday. He seems like such a flake, I hope he has more grit than meets the eye.
02-09-2017 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Wow this is amazing. Spicy about to hit that dude with his podium.

Have press briefings been like this for previous administrations?
lol'd at this

in case you're serious, no they have not
02-09-2017 , 03:40 PM
Trudeau gonna be all

02-09-2017 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
RV, those were primary numbers which skew higher.
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Household income can be misleading too. If I had to pick a financial situation between a random Trump or Sanders supporter I would chose the Sanders pool despite the lower average. Trump you probably get a family of 4 person with two moderate lower skilled 50 year old earners, Sanders would get you a 31 year old college educated single person with a brighter future.
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
Sadly enough, most of voters just aren't educated enough to realize some of the things happening should piss them of. Not talking about Trumps base especially here.

Who knows exactly how the division of power works and why we do have it in place. Or how has actually enough insights to understand that creating new laws means to bring together docents of different interests to the lowest common denominator. To many people get theirs news from tabloid newspapers and schools fail to teach how states and democracy works.
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Originally Posted by Kafja
Pretty bad take here. Trump barely won an election against the literal nut low, worst possible Democratic candidate, with low voter turnout/engagement among non-Republicans and two independents siphoning votes from the Dem. And that was before anyone had got the chance to see what kind of President he would be, which turns out to be objectively completely ****ing terrible (regardless of actual policy).

If he repeals Obamacare, that hurts average Republican voters. So will his tax proposals (or at the very least, it won't help them). When millions of well paying manufacturing jobs don't appear out of nowhere, some people will lose faith. The 'drain the swamp' stuff has already been shown to be a joke. He's been in office for 3 weeks and embarrasses the nation literally every day. He's using the office of the Presidency to promote his daughter's ****ty fashion line. He's deliriously, nakedly corrupt. Again, it's been 3 weeks. You don't think this stuff will have a cumulative effect over 4 years?

Of course, he will still get 40% of the vote regardless of what happens, because it's safe to say at this point that 40% of Americans are awful, stupid people. But that's not enough.

The only way I can see a plausible path to reelection is if there are several major terror attacks, at which point things will get really ugly, or if they start disenfranchising non-white voters by the millions, which seems impossible but who knows at this point.
Yea I guess I'm just not optimistic about 2020. I hope I'm wrong.
02-09-2017 , 03:53 PM
Spencer seems agitated like he's gonna lose his job soon.
02-09-2017 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
I think they (the base, and young people more broadly) will punch back hard. There is a sense of defeatism in liberal boomers/Gen Xs that were politically conscious through the Bush years that I dont see in Millenial and Snapchat progressives. Many of them have only known Obama and this is such an aggressive and transparent regression from that that they feel no choice to take to the streets. 45 is doing and proposing such nonsense; it shouldnt be surprising that a simultaneously well connected and well informed group is rising in unity to resist. You see it in the protests. Of course this is going to result in more turnout.

In sum - yeah it's bad and we are right to fear direct attacks on voting rights, but the optimist in me replies that the egregiousness of this takeover has awoken and mobilized the young in a way that could significantly change the map.
This is a good point and I hadn't thought of it before; especially the bolded part.
02-09-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Today Trump called out Mccain on twitter. I think Trump wins the award for most petty president in modern times. When was the last time a president was so?


@RealDickNixon would have been lit. Firing shots at Woodward or Archibald Cox, probably drunkenly tweeting at Mamie Eisenhower or @DeepThroat.
02-09-2017 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
As long as the economy doesn't crash and people keep their 401k plans healthy, the GOP will win again
Is the business cycle no longer a thing? The economy has been slowly growing since 2010. There's probably going to be a recession. If Trumps lucky it will be quick.
02-09-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea I guess I'm just not optimistic about 2020. I hope I'm wrong.
There's just way too much we don't know to be at all certain.

You have to keep in mind that we've had three weeks of complete idiocy and incompetence coming out of the Trump Admin, and this is literally all self-inflicted. Not a single outside thing has broken remotely against Trump and he still has an absurdly leaky White House that can't keep itself without a scandal for twelve consecutive hours.

Imagine once bad things actually start to happen. And this whole useless, demented apparatus of morons and demagogues stumbles over itself and screws absolutely everything up it can, and still finds new self-inflicted wounds for itself to boot.

There really must be a limit to how long this can go on for.
02-09-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Have press briefings been like this for previous administrations?
We still haven't reach the level of the Larry Speakes AIDS cringefest. But I'm sure we'll get there in no time.
02-09-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 8=====D
Is the business cycle no longer a thing? The economy has been slowly growing since 2010. There's probably going to be a recession. If Trumps lucky it will be quick.
A depression doesn't matter as long as the people that voted trump are fine.
02-09-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Clownface's Yemen mission gets a SEAL and child killed, Clownface shows up to the National Prayer Breakfast and asks people to pray for...Arnold

Tornadoes rip through Louisiana, Clownface tweets about...Nordstrom

The right got played so ****in hard man
02-09-2017 , 04:15 PM
Nah that's what they want. They want the Federal Government to be treated with such disdain and abhorrence that no one will dare put their faith in the systems of government again.
02-09-2017 , 04:16 PM
So clearly there's a ton of internal dysfunction that is creating or intensifying the incoherence and craziness and also leading to many of these leaks. What I'm wondering is what happens when some internal faction wins and solidifies supremacy, eliminating the internal conflicts?
02-09-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
That one row of reporters at the daily press briefings has some cuties. It's the row with the white-haired reporter sitting in between them. There's like three in that row that I'm developing a crush on. I have no clue what any of their names are.
Hallie Jackson of MSNBC is one. Wasn't paying attention enough to notice who the others were.
02-09-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
A depression doesn't matter as long as the people that voted trump are fine.
Wat
02-09-2017 , 04:21 PM
who needs to tweet about tornadoes when ivankas shoes are going in the clearance rack.
02-09-2017 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
So clearly there's a ton of internal dysfunction that is creating or intensifying the incoherence and craziness and also leading to many of these leaks. What I'm wondering is what happens when some internal faction wins and solidifies supremacy, eliminating the internal conflicts?
It seems like that faction only wins when Trump loses so I'm not sure of the specifics but it can't be bad.

      
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