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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

12-30-2017 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
More generally I think that 15% of the American population would push a button that put in as president, the opponent of who they voted for, if doing otherwise resulted in a 30% decrease of their net worth. Do people here disagree with that? Or do they simply disagree that my stock market thesis doesn't properly reflect that more general one?
The problem is people don't believe bolded when they vote.
12-30-2017 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
More generally I think that 15% of the American population would push a button that put in as president, the opponent of who they voted for, if doing otherwise resulted in a 30% decrease of their net worth. Do people here disagree with that? Or do they simply disagree that my stock market thesis doesn't properly reflect that more general one?
First off, reword this into English.

Secondly, it works better with a nice round number, and a boost, not a debit. "Would they press the button for $10k" or whatever. That's at least a fun thought experiment.

Third, and this is just a little nitpick but it turns into a big one, David, but off the top of your head what do you think the median net worth, excluding home equity, is? Ballpark it.
12-30-2017 , 08:08 PM
Can we just stop this nonsense? Governments have been trying to control the economic cycle for decades. They can't do it. Most investors know they can't do it. And Donald mfing Trump certainly can't do it.
12-30-2017 , 08:31 PM
^what does that crap have to do with anything
12-30-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Don’t agree on the second part. Why would you put the burden of defending any questionable defendant (whether he is an accused murderer or big bank executive?). Unfortunately the system cannot take that. Regardless, I think everyone accused of a crime deserves the best possible representation, no matter what. Once we start deciding who deserves what quality of lawyer, it’s going down a dark path to inequality, etc.
This makes no sense. I said the mob boss or Chiquita executive deserves a competent public defender. You're saying awesome criminal defense should be available only to the wealthy.

And I'm not suggesting that some law stop anyone from being a mob lawyer, but that doesn't make it a noble task. Public defenders can do their work because it's noble to be part of a system that respects the rights of the accused. Chiquita lawyers defending mercenaries are mercenaries themselves.
12-30-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
This makes no sense. I said the mob boss or Chiquita executive deserves a competent public defender. You're saying awesome criminal defense should be available only to the wealthy.

And I'm not suggesting that some law stop anyone from being a mob lawyer, but that doesn't make it a noble task. Public defenders can do their work because it's noble to be part of a system that respects the rights of the accused. Chiquita lawyers defending mercenaries are mercenaries themselves.
So it's fine to defend Chiquita so long as you don't get paid a lot to do it?
12-30-2017 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Do people here disagree with that? Or do they simply disagree that my stock market thesis doesn't properly reflect that more general one?
I think the bigger issue is that you're just picking numbers out of a hat and there's no way anyone can confirm or disprove them. Your point boils down to "some people will vote for a racist clown if they think they'll get a tax cut." Which seems true but unremarkable.
12-30-2017 , 09:07 PM
LOL adios. Go crawl under the deplorable rock whence you came.
12-30-2017 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I think the bigger issue is that you're just picking numbers out of a hat and there's no way anyone can confirm or disprove them. Your point boils down to "some people will vote for a racist clown if they think they'll get a tax cut." Which seems true but unremarkable.
the banality of awval
12-30-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
First off, reword this into English.

Secondly, it works better with a nice round number, and a boost, not a debit. "Would they press the button for $10k" or whatever. That's at least a fun thought experiment.
DS really is the king of making thought experiments that just have nothing to do with how the average person makes voting decisions. They are just so cute and thematic and so utterly pointless it makes me giggle every time.
12-30-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
So it's fine to defend Chiquita so long as you don't get paid a lot to do it?
This post of yours isn't really worth a response is it?
12-30-2017 , 09:29 PM
It's not like dems are gonna instantly roll back middle class tax cuts. They'll campaign on extending the middle class tax cuts but raising them back on the wealthy.
12-30-2017 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
This post of yours isn't really worth a response is it?
Is any post on 2+2 really worthy of a response?

If it helps, I'm genuinely confused as to what you're saying.
12-30-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Is any post on 2+2 really worthy of a response?

If it helps, I'm genuinely confused as to what you're saying.
I don't believe you.

But, just in case. Yes, it's ok. It's not that there's some specific dollar amount, but being a public defender is a noble profession because it's based on providing the defense that everyone deserves and it's not mercenary. Motivations matter. And the public defender doesn't need to be working for peanuts, they can do it partly because it's a decent paying job without being fairly called mercenary.

Last edited by microbet; 12-30-2017 at 10:11 PM.
12-30-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Trump lost the popular vote in the 2016 election. He is way more unpopular now than he has ever been. I don't think there are that many people going "well the dow is up now so may as well stick with the orange man."
Yeah. And even his specific rating on how he’s handling the economy has gone down since Jan as the market gained 20%. Pretty much any empty claim about the future has as much logic and data behind it as this one.
12-30-2017 , 10:14 PM
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12-30-2017 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
12-30-2017 , 10:49 PM
Ivanka Trump's Old Jewelry Business Is Now Caught Up in an Alleged Fraud Scheme
In late June, the Commercial Bank of Dubai sought—and later received—permission to subpoena Ivanka Trump’s now-defunct fine jewelry line, claiming its diamonds were used in a massive scheme to hide roughly $100 million that was owed to the bank, according to filings at the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.
12-30-2017 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
IDK, I think there's more stupid people in this country than there are racist. The only reason Trump's ratings aren't lower than they are is because of stupid people refusing to admit they ****ed up. They don't even realize they ****ed up. Hell, they vote against their own self interests time and time again.
Racism and stupidity go hand-in-hand. It is the end result of not having the intellect to formulate nuanced, complex thoughts.

The bolded part is important. It has to be kept in mind that Trump supporters are not intelligent enough to see their mistake. If they had the capacity to look back on their mistake and correct it, they probably wouldn't have made it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Unless the stock market reverses, there will be people who will reply "disapprove" when polled, but will nevertheless be afraid to vote against Trump, fearing it will, for whatever reason, hurt their bankroll. I think their numbers may be higher than most of you realize.
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Originally Posted by uke_master
DS really is the king of making thought experiments that just have nothing to do with how the average person makes voting decisions. They are just so cute and thematic and so utterly pointless it makes me giggle every time.
It's nothing more than mental masturbation while he waits out the refractory period that'll let him get back to physical masturbation.

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
That button should receive an award because keeping Trump's jacket shut is probably the hardest job in the world.
12-31-2017 , 12:11 AM
everybody wants to commit treason, but nobody wants to go to jail. who's gonna go to jail? papadoesn'twantno jail, those flynns ain't loyal enough to go to jail, but they all want to play. is mueller just giving out handslaps or what? c'mon

get on with it 2018
12-31-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
This apathy is a huge problem and not easily overcome. I think we saw amazing mobilization in Alabama recently but that involved extreme circumstances. The democrats really have to figure out how to overcome this in the midterms and 2020. It will require more than lip service too.

It is absolutely true that a substantial number of people, especially those further down the economic ladder, see no improvements in their lives regardless of which politicians or parties wi. Office. However getting these people out to vote is imperative and if it can be effectively done for the mid terms it could have a massive impact.
Looks like you're beginning to get it now.
12-31-2017 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I don't believe you.

But, just in case. Yes, it's ok. It's not that there's some specific dollar amount, but being a public defender is a noble profession because it's based on providing the defense that everyone deserves and it's not mercenary. Motivations matter. And the public defender doesn't need to be working for peanuts, they can do it partly because it's a decent paying job without being fairly called mercenary.
I got that it's OK for the public defender. What I don't get is why it's not OK for the private attorney. Just because they are in business for themselves does not mean that they don't believe that all accused deserve a defense. A lot of these guys who get paid a ton will also do quite a bit of pro-bono work for people who can't pay. But that's beside the point. I don't think getting paid a lot means necessarily means you believe any less in the rights of the accused to get a good defense.

For all we know some rando pubic defender, doesn't really believe in the accused getting a good defense, but it just happened to be the best job he could find.
12-31-2017 , 02:09 AM
For all we know Eric Holder believed that the fiction called "Chiquita", previously known as United Fruit, was deeply deserving of the best defense for hiring death squads to kill thousands of peasants and indigenous people who threatened corporate profits and his accepting large fees for his expertise and connections with the Justice Department was just a happy coincidence. We should rejoice that nobility was well rewarded.
12-31-2017 , 03:57 AM
Jesus ****ing christ man. Stop it. Anyone who is capable of earning big bucks for evil inc could do it everywhere else.

Everyone who works can and should ask themselves the question "if i do my job better than my replacement, do i make the world better or worse".

Marketing for tobacco, funding science that opposes climate change and defending corporate mass murderers... yeah. They are ****ty people.

      
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