He can't be pardoned for state crimes.

john kelly told him to leave out the part about black women working in middle management

Dear Beastalamode,

Stop being an ignorant, racist twerp. Learn what DACA is and who the people in the program are. Your post is insulting and dumb all at the same time.

And more directly, the GOP could give them DACA, the thing they want most of all. Seems like that should buy some good will, right?

Uhhh, DACA dosen't confer the right to vote.

Depends if Pence and the GOP want Pence to get elected. I think much like Ford, it’s pretty much a forgone conclusion in the case of an actual impeachment that a pardon would make Pence’s chances in an election very slim.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoyceWhit...91501789941761

I am sure Trump said something similar to his US attorneys.

Yeah, but I guess I think its unlikely that if he is pardoned by a President (for federal crimes) that a state AG would decide to proceed with charges on a state level. I don't think they would want to be accused of ramping up political hatred by proceeding with a trial, but I dunno.

Word for word.

Some irony here. I expect this earnest position earned Obama loyalty while Trump's demands for loyalty have people chomping at the bit to kick him if he's ever down.

NY has a history of agrressive AGs with sights on higher office (Spitzer, Cuomo etc). Schidermen has already gone after Trump once, over Trump U. I agree Most states probably don’t have the resources/ambition to get into a battle with someone with close ties to the federal government....but I think NY would go after him if they have something.

Afaik mueller already brought the NY state AG office into the fold so the idea that they wouldnt pursue state charges seems like a pretty wrong hawt take

A pardon kind of implies the guy is guilty, so that would seem to make things easier for state prosecutors afaict (ianal).

Chippa:

Yes, you are missing something! If Pence becomes President in the aftermath of a Trump impeachment and conviction in the Senate, a presidential pardon [of Trump] would be political suicide for Pence. Any chance Mike Pence might have had of being elected to a full term as President would go right down the drain.

Don't know if you were around during Watergate, but all of us "olds" recall what happened to Gerald Ford after he pardoned Nixon. Ford ran for election to a full term in 1976 and was (just barely) defeated by Jimmy Carter. It was a close election. Ford and his running mate, Kansas senator Bob Dole, lost by a margin of less than one percent of the popular vote. Most pollsters, media pundits, and political scientists [of that time] agree that Ford's pardon of Nixon cost him his job. If Trump gets impeached and removed from office, Mike Pence won't make the same mistake. If Pence decides to pardon Donald Trump, assuming Trump is prosecuted and convicted of any crime(s), he won't do it until after he's been elected to a full four year term.

And I tend to believe the reports that Pence and his wife actually hate Trump.

I'm not sure the Republican Party really wants their ex-president in jail. It's not a great look, plus they lose the support of the deplorables that make up a big chunk of their base. Not sure what benefit Pence gets out of letting Trump go to jail.

Chippa:

New York's Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, has made it very clear that he is looking into prosecuting Trump for financial crimes [allegedly] committed in New York state. Some reports I've heard on various cable channels imply that Mr. Mueller and AG Schneiderman are sharing information and investigative leads.

I was only joking about the cheering for coal part, and ofc I don't give out the work assignments around here. Anyway, that seems right for LA using cells with a little over 20% efficiency (~500 kWh/m^2 in a year).

Admittedly I don't have practical knowledge of solar and I'm prone to arithmetic errors, but this isn't a Trump-level sales job. From the article, there are 5875 m^2 of panels in the 1 km of road. If they generate 1 million kWh in a year, that's 170 kWh/m^2. With 8% efficiency for mass-produced amorphous Si at Jinan's latitude and using numbers from the Wikipedia article on solar cell efficiency, you get only 112 kWh/m^2. Even if the concrete over the panels is 100% transparent, roads are pretty dirty so you'd get less than this. But if you can get higher efficiency, you can probably do what they claim. Of course, there are other issues that might make solar roads even less practical than a solar border wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cell_efficiency

Pence can let him stand trial then commute the sentence if he is found guilty. I imagine Trump would prefer that anyway. Not that I think any of this is going to happen.

the part about the germans being worried about coming off as mean or unfriendly was exactly in a simpsons episode. the one where the germans buy the power plant from mr burns.

If Pence doesn't secretly hate Trump, he's not human. Though not human shouldn't be completely discounted.

Still slightly skeptical that the USPS makes a profit on the Amazon relationship tbh. I see USPS workers on Sundays driving USPS trucks delivering Amazon packages. I once saw two different trucks on the same block. These guys are union right? So they're probably making time and a half on a Sunday, plus benefits. I'd be surprised if the cost + profit margin is less than what Amazon could do it for themselves. On top of that I don't really trust that the USPS is being managed well or transparently. Then I see Amazon's statement that makes a big point about "Oh, and we invested in their infrastructure" which sounds to me like something somebody paying below cost would say to justify it.

Totally willing to accept that I might be completely wrong here.

USPS doesn't only deliver for Amazon, tho. Plenty of other retailers use SmartPost with FedEx, and UPS offers multiple services where delivery is ultimately made by the USPS.

You don't think the Attorney general of New York would want to prosecute a former president? He absolutely would if he could, would take him from just being some guy to a household name. I mean he'd probably try the case himself. The spectacle would be tremendous, it's every politician's dream

Isn't the USPS/Amazon tweet another threat aimed at securing more favorable Washington Post coverage?