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12-06-2017 , 08:41 PM
Yeah man real quick who ate **** over the 46 or whatever failed Obamacare repeal votes? Nobody? Literally not one Republican?
12-06-2017 , 08:51 PM
Trump's approval rating is higher among House Dems than it is in the general population.
12-06-2017 , 08:58 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...estions-284841

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Donald Trump Jr. on Wednesday cited attorney-client privilege to avoid telling lawmakers about a conversation he had with his father, President Donald Trump, after news broke this summer that the younger Trump — and top campaign brass — had met with Russia-connected individuals in Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign.

Though neither Trump Jr. nor the president is an attorney, Trump Jr. told the House Intelligence Committee that there was a lawyer in the room during the discussion, according to the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Adam Schiff of California.
12-06-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Here's the full list. I already faxed my congressman to complain.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2017/h658
Mine, Ted Lieu, unsurprisingly was one of the 58. I just called to thank him for the vote.
12-06-2017 , 09:12 PM
lol the presence of a third party negates the privilege

what a ****ing dolt

furthermore if the lawyer was White House counsel that isn't either of their personal lawyer, learned that on west wing at age 10
12-06-2017 , 09:12 PM
How did that even make it to the floor for a vote?
12-06-2017 , 09:19 PM
Vote was to table it. The 58 nays were just trying to advance it.
12-06-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
lolflynn
Just texting his Bros to meet him with a big bag of $krill what’s the big deal?
12-06-2017 , 09:23 PM
What did Israel concede for that?
12-06-2017 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JordanIB
Perhaps it’s just a tactic to make themselves look generous wen they only rape the poor and children.
The first draft of Ryan's plan to "voucherize" Medicare grandfathered in everyone over 55 so GOP voters wouldn't get hurt but all of us would get ****ed.
12-06-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah man real quick who ate **** over the 46 or whatever failed Obamacare repeal votes? Nobody? Literally not one Republican?
Kelly Ayotte? Democrats got to say "look at these ****s, they're unhinged and they can't govern at all" and they were right.

I don't see the benefit of voting to impeach when Mueller is still working and there isn't a concrete criminal case against Trump yet; it feeds into the deplorable narrative of people who are just out to get Trump no matter what. I realize that's not a perfect take because deplorables are deplorables and it's not like they're open to being reasoned with anyway, but it's still better to not feed into their dumbass narratives than to do so if given a choice. And it sounds like you guys don't see the benefit either when the response from Wookie and Fly isn't "here's why this is good" but rather "Republican showboating didn't hurt them" (except for when it did).
12-06-2017 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
lol the presence of a third party negates the privilege

what a ****ing dolt

furthermore if the lawyer was White House counsel that isn't either of their personal lawyer, learned that on west wing at age 10
12-06-2017 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I don't see the benefit of voting to impeach when Mueller is still working and there isn't a concrete criminal case against Trump yet;
He's dangerous, incompetent clown who threatens nuclear war via Twitter, emboldens violent hate groups, and is likely going to get Americans killed for no reason over this Jerusalem nonsense.

What's the payoff for not voting for impeachment here? Paul Ryan isn't going to make any concessions on bump stocks if the Dems hold their tongue. No one in the base is hype for this West Wing stuff. The people voting no are just going to get pilloried from the left and the right.
12-06-2017 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Kelly Ayotte? Democrats got to say "look at these ****s, they're unhinged and they can't govern at all" and they were right.

I don't see the benefit of voting to impeach when Mueller is still working and there isn't a concrete criminal case against Trump yet; it feeds into the deplorable narrative of people who are just out to get Trump no matter what. I realize that's not a perfect take because deplorables are deplorables and it's not like they're open to being reasoned with anyway, but it's still better to not feed into their dumbass narratives than to do so if given a choice. And it sounds like you guys don't see the benefit either when the response from Wookie and Fly isn't "here's why this is good" but rather "Republican showboating didn't hurt them" (except for when it did).
Agree. Reality DOES matter to the right wing derposphere: any verifiable and widely reported fact that supports their narrative is endlessly parroted as proof that their conspiracy theories are in fact valid, and despite the biased liberal media's attempts to cover them up a few bubble to the surface anyways because man this thing is just so deep and real it's impossible to hide.

That's the reason that the absolutely idiotic FBI texting "scandal" (zomg FBI agents have political beliefs; it's true we really can't trust ANYONE besides Breitbart!) is in fact quite damaging.

It's the worst of all worlds, rooting for the team based in reality. We don't just get to say things are true; they actually have to BE true. Any real fact however minor that supports the anti-reality narrative will be used relentlessly to attack reality. And the reality-based media, as the only one with the capacity to gather real facts, is virtually always the side dishing up even these minor real facts, which are then shown as proof that reality is a lie.

There's not much room for unforced errors here, and I feel like these gesture votes is probably one of them.
12-06-2017 , 10:53 PM
Uh, no. There are exactly zero people changing their vote because one of Mueller's guys texted whatever. Zero.

The #1 biggest problem with the Democratic Party is buying the NYT/WaPo narrative that the key to their success is winning "centrists." That's complete garbage. Policy oriented people whose vote is up for grabs simply do not exist.
12-06-2017 , 10:57 PM
This story illustrates why the Democrats are ****ing themselves

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...merica/543288/

Basically, The Third Way is delusional in thinking that their way is actually what would work and they're advising the Democrats.
12-06-2017 , 10:58 PM
Doug Jones throwing some shade:

“Despite the silly name calling my record as a prosecutor speaks for itself and I am a supporter of the Second Amendment. When you see me with a gun, I will be climbing into a deer stand or a turkey blind, not prancing around on a stage in cowboy outfit.”
12-06-2017 , 11:00 PM
I agree. I think Dems jumping the gun on impeachment before Mueller has brought forward charges only plays into a bad narrative "witch hunt" etc. this will detract from when it is actually time to start that up
12-06-2017 , 11:04 PM
Paul Ryan is an ignorant dumbass.
12-06-2017 , 11:08 PM
Has Paul Ryan said anything about how poor will be able to buy a new mansion with their $300 tax break?
12-06-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
My understanding is a third party negates attorney client privledge. Lawyers?
12-06-2017 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
. Policy oriented people whose vote is up for grabs simply do not exist.
How do you know that? (I ask that knowing that you don't totally believe it and would admit to a tiny percent existing. What percent would that be?)
12-06-2017 , 11:14 PM
Sorry your Honor, I don't have to answer that because I was watching Law and Order at the time of that conversation.
12-06-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
How do you know that? (I ask that knowing that you don't totally believe it and would admit to a tiny percent existing. What percent would that be?)
You should also be asking for a more precise definition of "policy oriented", which is quite a sliding scale.
12-06-2017 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
My understanding is a third party negates attorney client privledge. Lawyers?
Maybe they're all each other's lawyers. Have you ever thought about that? Of course you haven't, because you've made up your mind already. HILLARY CLINTON wants to take away your guns so she can forcibly abort your children right in front of you because she's a radical leftist who would sooner open the borders to let illegals pour in by the millions to steal YOUR tax dollars than set a national day of prayer to Our Lord Jesus Christ. SHE is the deplorable one, and a criminal. Lock Her Up!

      
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