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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-08-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Is there a transcript you could link to?
I was watching on USAToday feed and it cut out so I went to YouTube and it was on.
02-08-2017 , 11:16 AM
McConnel has to go. Is there a process to impeach/recall a senator? Blatant racism and sexism by shutting down Warren down like that. She showed amazing restraint by not going off.
02-08-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I think Trump is a much more effective communicator than he's given credit for. Crystal clear messaging.

You may agree, you may disagree, but you know what he's saying.
No. No I don't. He speaks at a fifth grade level and 12 percent of his words are unintelligible.
02-08-2017 , 11:23 AM
Bigly
02-08-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
No. No I don't. He speaks at a fifth grade level and 12 percent of his words are unintelligible.


Crystal clear messaging.
02-08-2017 , 11:33 AM
In defense of LordJvKs point though -

What exactly does 'great communicator' mean? Was Obama a great communicator? Obviously he spoke eloquently in long, thought out paragraphs, with good grammar and a broad vocabulary, about things he was well informed about. But if x% of the country (20? 40? Who knows at this point) is functionally incapable of understanding him, is that good communication?

Whereas Trump speaks stupidly and incoherently about things he is extremely poorly informed about, but the general thrust of what he's saying is clear to even the most incompetent. Hillary bad, terrorists bad, America good, bring back jobs, etc. Maybe that's the point being made?
02-08-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
McConnel has to go. Is there a process to impeach/recall a senator? Blatant racism and sexism by shutting down Warren down like that. She showed amazing restraint by not going off.
Nah man Republicans have all the power and they're going to use it to destroy Democrats every chance they get

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Indeed, McConnell’s suggestion that Warren had impugned Sessions’s motives and conduct — which he buttressed by reading aloud King’s words — implicitly conceded that Coretta Scott King had impugned Sessions’ motives and conduct, and that this must not be given a hearing on the Senate floor. The message all of this sends about Sessions and the GOP on civil rights is awful for Republicans.

But the point is, Republicans don’t care what message this sends. And herein lies the way in which this whole episode symbolizes the unsettling broader reality that Democrats face right now. Warren was shut down from speaking by Republicans who employed an arcane Senate rule; Democrats are shut out of power, and Republicans will use any and all procedural means at their disposal to render them as powerless and irrelevant as possible. And Republicans see no reason to fear any political repercussions from whatever message any of it sends.

Republicans pocketed a Supreme Court seat that was President Obama’s to fill and will now likely get their choice of justice installed in it. If Democrats filibuster that choice, or filibuster the next justice Trump picks, Republicans will likely nuke the Senate rules and blow past Democratic opposition. Republicans are totally abdicating any meaningful oversight role toward Trump, despite his unprecedented conflicts of interest and possible corruption, and they are unlikely to pursue independent probes into Russian meddling in our election, making it less substantially likely that the public will ever be fully informed about these things. Republicans have clearly signaled they will do everything they can to prevent other institutional watchdogs from exercising any oversight of their own. This will only get worse.
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But Democrats are going to be shut up. They are going to be shut out. They are going to lose. A lot. And it’s going to be dispiriting and difficult. The response to this particular Warren episode has thus far been innovative and energetic. The question is whether this kind of energy can be sustained.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.7b094fb70c0b

I don't know, growing up in the Bush era should teach a lot of middle aged Democrats that it's a marathon, not a sprint, and the only real change is going to happen during elections. I hope the message gets through to everyone
02-08-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
That WH list of 75 terror attacks the lamestream media forgot to tell you about is the absolute perfect exemplar of Trump: Lazy And Stupid, or Passively Malicious debate. Rife with typos, nonsense, half-truths, and implicit lies (San Bernadino wasn't covered by the media?), no one can credibly respond to it since it's just total nonsense top to bottom. It was so careless and hastily written you have to imagine it's not even supposed to be consumed like that.

At some point not caring about the details and making it rife with errors has to be intentional. It's like the Make America Great Again hats which are trashy garbage to anyone with taste but undoubtedly meant to be a form of low-art, like the WWE and ballet are just dots on the physical performance continuum.

That list is low-grade propaganda but I'm becoming ever more convinced that has to be the point. This is more or less how the 30% of diehard Trumpkins engage with the world and think about terrorism. Normal people rising to disrespect the list for its brazen indifference to facts and correct spelling miss the genuine, earnest nature of the mistakes and carelessness. I'm only half ****ing kidding here. You can imagine what's going on in the amygdala of the Trumpkin: the elites have missed the point again, Trump knows in his gut like they do that Muslims are blowing everyone up, everywhere, and fact-checking, nay, SPELL CHECKING are simply fiddling while Rome burns at the hands of the Mohammedmen. Oh, you doubt the Muslims threaten everyone with Sharia Law and are blowing everyone up? OK whatever, he's a list you nerd, now go **** yourself, IT'S HAPPENING, OK? I mean sure, Donald Trump may spell some words in ways we don't like, but we love him unlike any other politician because he spells the way we're thinking, finally Washington gets it.
this administrations recurring problem with spelling errors could also be attributed to one of two other possible reasons as well. either they are being done intentionally to draw additional attention to material that would otherwise quickly exit the news cycle; or, they are just the result of a burnt out and overworked sean spicer who is acting as both the communications director and press secretary, and who openly admits on his twitter bio that he is a "horrable speller."
02-08-2017 , 11:39 AM
I wonder if Trump is having second thoughts about the wall now that he's seen the level of opposition and headaches that have come from a temporary immigrant ban.
02-08-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
I wonder if Trump is having second thoughts about the wall now that he's seen the level of opposition and headaches that have come from a temporary immigrant ban.
In his speech today he wandered on about how people didn't take him seriously about the wall, how he doesn't kid around, it is getting built and it's going to be a GREAT wall. Wait until you see it.
02-08-2017 , 11:46 AM
Mcconel has been a "bleep" for a long time now. What state keeps voting him in? he's literally ******ed and acts like a child. If there is a way to remove senators please enlighten us so we can move swiftly. Too bad each party doesn't get 1 go to jail card every 4 years where they can kick someone out of congress, that would be sweet.
02-08-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kafja
In defense of LordJvKs point though -

What exactly does 'great communicator' mean? Was Obama a great communicator? Obviously he spoke eloquently in long, thought out paragraphs, with good grammar and a broad vocabulary, about things he was well informed about. But if x% of the country (20? 40? Who knows at this point) is functionally incapable of understanding him, is that good communication?

Whereas Trump speaks stupidly and incoherently about things he is extremely poorly informed about, but the general thrust of what he's saying is clear to even the most incompetent. Hillary bad, terrorists bad, America good, bring back jobs, etc. Maybe that's the point being made?
Many more people supported Obama than Trump, so I think that shows the limits of the lowest-common-denominator strategy. Also, Obama was taking on difficult topics like confronting our nation's complex history of racial injustice or fighting a war against terrorist ideologies that are informed by Islam without alienating Muslim allies. Trump is just trying to inflame people's inherent sense of tribalism, xenophobia, and economic/cultural resentment.
02-08-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Mother****er can't even use a goddamn ellipses correctly.

Plus he never followed this with another tweet. Why even use an ellipses there?
Reminded me of this

02-08-2017 , 11:51 AM
A mess of incoherence: Trump attacks judges weighing travel ban

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“But I have to be honest that if these judges wanted to, in my opinion, help the court in terms of respect for the court, they do what they should be doing," he added. "It’s so sad."
02-08-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I just have to reiterate how appalling and dumb it is that Republicans are not orchestrating a palace coup here. (Maybe they are and everything will become clear soon.) They have a golden opportunity to govern here, but it's going to be harder to do that if everyone is spending all their time dodging the flaming wreckage launched from the latest Trump debacle. And then they're going to get murdered if and when we have our next fair election because Trump is going to publicly **** things up so badly.
02-08-2017 , 11:55 AM


I don't know if anyone else caught this, I didn't see it myself until CNN reaired it late last night, but apparently Kellyann was allowed back on the network sometime yesterday and Tapper interviewed her. It's the most brutal 25 minutes you'll spend this week. He just shreds her over and over again and she spent half the time agreeing with him (and contradicting her boss) and the other half changing the subject and basically talking hilarious nonsense. I think her 15 minutes are about up.
02-08-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JordanIB
This is compelling. I don't know why he didn't just show up to oral arguments yesterday.
I think that if enough people massaged his ego via Twitter he could be convinced that what our DoJ needs is not some rando solicitor with a tier 4 law degree but someone with his powers of persuasion to handle those oral arguments, yes Donald you can do what these snot nosed law types could not, do it!
02-08-2017 , 12:03 PM
Fighting the big battles

02-08-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I think that if enough people massaged his ego via Twitter he could be convinced that what our DoJ needs is not some rando solicitor with a tier 4 law degree but someone with his powers of persuasion to handle those oral arguments, yes Donald you can do what these snot nosed law types could not, do it!
Yeah. Especially because there's law and there's common sense and this is common sense.
02-08-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Wat?
02-08-2017 , 12:07 PM


LOL he's literally advocating for his family's financial interests
02-08-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Fighting the big battles

He is the dumbest mother****er on earth.
02-08-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
I just have to reiterate how appalling and dumb it is that Republicans are not orchestrating a palace coup here. (Maybe they are and everything will become clear soon.) They have a golden opportunity to govern here, but it's going to be harder to do that if everyone is spending all their time dodging the flaming wreckage launched from the latest Trump debacle. And then they're going to get murdered if and when we have our next fair election because Trump is going to publicly **** things up so badly.
Your wonderment at the cynical, principle-free nature of the modern GOP whose ordering of priorities appears to be something along the lines of "1a. satisfy rich oligarchs and 1b. appease horde of angry, resentful mouthbreathers who elect us" to do something more than this is almost charming.

You're definitely a smart guy, maybe one of the smartest on the forum. Surely you didn't earnestly expect more, right? Even I, in my most hopeful moments, sometimes rise to "vague hopefulness" when I see something like McCain take shots at Trump from the Senate floor but then you remember out of like 290+ or whatever Congressional and Senate Republicans, he's more or less the bravest and most principled and THAT IS STILL BASICALLY DOING NOTHING AT ALL.
02-08-2017 , 12:10 PM
There were rumors she squashed the LGBT executive order by telling him not to do it lol. The right thing.
02-08-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


LOL he's literally advocating for his family's financial interests
Fighting the big battles<br />
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Conflict of interest? What an embarrassment. He's so corrupt already...

      
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