80k people listening to the court vs trump thing :O

Trump's lawyer arguing that Trump's judgment of risk from immigration is unassailable.

The DOJ lawyer is coming off like a stuttering fool.

No law expert here, but DOJ lawyer seems like he's getting worked by these 3 judges. Does Washington Attorney General even need to speak?

It's also running live on CNN (and probably a bunch more news outlets) so there's a lot more than 80k listening.

DOJ clown is getting savaged right now.

Honestly this is pretty typical with high level legal argument. What will be more telling is how they handle the state attorney--if there is a huge disparity in how they talk to each of them, we'll know more.

Also, the government's standard to get the TRO reversed is super high. This is basically an impossible position to argue (at this stage).

Not really Trump specifically but it seems like a decent window into the mindset of Trump America.

Take it away, Congressman:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0c1284f28854c

White people attacks are one-off, ISIS is existential threat.

Alternative fact: Gabby Giffords is not dead.

Just the best people. Muslims you stop on sight because of their Muslimyness means they will explode you and threaten everything you have, including your sovereignty. They are super human in their abilities, except to be stopped, which is actually easy due to common sense solutions, you just don't let them into the country, maybe profile them. Extraordinary in their ability to cause havoc but so simple to prevent their evil. Got it.

White people terrorists OTOH are just an unstoppable undetectable force, no one can ever predict them, literally we remain powerless to do anything, no one has a clue. But whatever, they're all one-offs, no big deal.

TIWRAB

sounds like epic ownage to me.

Is it bad that after 3 weeks on the job everyone involved with trump looks like they've been in the bunker with Hitler?

The "underreported terrorist attacks" list is pretty brilliant strategy. The media has to cover a lot of attacks of dark skinned people vs. Westerners, liberals aren't willing to call them "radical islamic terrorism", while the media is not covering that Trump's secret plan to fight ISIS was so secret, he forgot it himself.

Hahahahaha, this is going to go over everyone's head but it's good for public opposition to the ban to hear the DOJ lawyer get destroyed.

Also doing this over the phone is probably really, really difficult for the lawyers. They can't read body language or anything and that is obviously a huge part of oral argument.

I hope Trump is listening.

IANAL but when the judge says "if the order said Muslims can't enter the country" and the lawyer says "that's not what the order says" and the judge says "I know, but could that order be challenged?" and the lawyer says "that's not what the order says", that seems bad for that lawyer.

I respect what you're saying champstark. I have a different opinion. Government lawyer is getting savaged and is an absolute mess as an oral advocate. Like, he's really terrible.

EDIT: LOL - "I'm not sure I'm convincing the Court. . ."

EDIT 2: Just raising his voice to speak over Judge Friedland, gjge.

lmao nh

Who is listening to the US Court of Appeals call? Wish they had live betting lines to accompany the call. Hard for me to determine what arguments are strong.

Edit: nevermind I see your posts now.

It's gotten much worse since my first post.

agree

All across America, people are being terrorized, burned and beaten with Donald Trump hats!

parens patriae is the principle that the state can step in the shoes of its citizens to protect them from harm FYI

Washington's argument that they have standing because the policy sucks to the point that it harms state residents sucks. If that's standard I will have to downgrade my opinion of my lay knowledge.

probably agree with this

Standing the governments best argument?