Lol at "seriously flawed," is that even a real phrase?

Douche and turd sandwich was a bit from like 14 years ago that they brought back because they like to make references. It didn't have anything to do with Hillary specifically.

Hillary was flawed because of actual fake news and 10 years of Republican propaganda against her knowing that she would one day run for president. Was she perfect? No, she may have lacked charisma and had a few other less than ideal traits, but was she flawed? Not much more so than any other candidate.

All of this back and forth with awval reminds me how useless it is to try and persuade Trump voters that Trump is a terrible human being, no matter how obvious that fact may seem to me. Trump the president is the same terrible person that Trump the candidate was. Admitting that you voted for a terrible person is too close to admitting that you yourself are a terrible person. In other words, there is no graceful way to admit that you are switching teams because you suddenly realized that Trump is a bad guy.

For most Trump voters, none of this matters. They cannot be persuaded to switch teams because they are reflexive GOP lever pullers. But for the small subset who might switch teams, I reluctantly have concluded that it will be more useful to emphasize that (i) Trump is incompetent and hasn't delivered on his promises, especially his economic promises; and (ii) the Democratic candidate is not HRC. Both explanations offer a more face-saving explanation for switching.

Can't find the link, but it was the mid 90s that the smear campaign started so try 20+ years.

And it worked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ft-out-at-work

I don't get this and I have no idea if it's a problem that could be fixed (or is even worth fixing).

That's it, I've finally been convinced and I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton last year

The 'problem' boils down to white dudes feeling their hegemony is being threatened and being forced to think about **** that makes them uncomfortable.

Serious flaws imo.

Conservatives like to pretend that for everything they hated about Hillary, Trump does literally all of those things worse, other than "being a woman."

I think most liberals will agree, if they're being honest, that Hillary was not a great candidate. What none of them will agree to, because it's absurd, is that Hillary was nearly as flawed as Trump. So if you're bringing up Hillary's flaws as a *justification* for why you voted for Trump, no one is going to bite that hook. Voting for Trump over Hillary was a big mistake! If, however, you're pointing to Hillary's flaws as an *explanation* of why you made the mistake of not voting for her, people will probably be slightly more understanding. Lots and lots of people made the same mistake, and the ever-widening gap between Trump's election percentage and approval rating shows that they're slowly coming to realize it. Join the crowd!

You really modus pwned them hard core libruls.

If you asked all trump voters who disliked hillary, why they disliked her, I assume all of their answers would mostly be made up of manufactured scandals and sexism. She really wasn't that bad of a candidate, or I guess the biggest reason why she was a bad candidate was unfortunately because of how much she was disliked.

Thinking that South Park has insightful things to say about American politics might be literally the only possible take that's worse than 'Hillary Clinton was a good candidate'.

Hillary had flaws (hint: all candidates for president have flaws) but her major flaw was that she was the person who had been constantly smeared on television news since her husband got a BJ by an intern in the oval office. Why did the people who hated Hillary with a passion hate Hillary? Because the TV told them to, that's the long and short of it.

She was fine if you think the trend in US politics over the last 30-40 years has been basically OK. She was far from fine if you don't. I was rooting for her before the election, because I regarded her as a bulwark against the increasingly rabid right wing. Turns out she wasn't even that, so **** her. At this point, I just wish people would stop talking about her. No-one gives a **** about Kerry, Gore, Dukakis etc.

It's weird to reference the bit from 04 but not the *entire season* spent skewering Trump.

>50% of the responses would be "buttery males".

People that hated HRC because of Fox News bull**** about Benghazi and emails, and online fake news about Haitian child trafficking and Vince Foster and whatever else, were never going to vote for her anyway.

Maybe being a valueless neoliberal warmonger with no vision for the future beyond preserving the status quo which benefits her political class and who brags about her close personal friendship with Henry Kissinger had something to do with it idk

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-gay...142750033.html

Trump makes fun of Pence

HRC has been subjected to a more intense smear campaign than any candidate in modern history. Much of what #neverhillary people believe about her is either not true, or more true of Bill than of her.

That said, I believe that Bill and Hillary on occasion have been too cynical in the way that they managed their public images. What I mean by that is, because they are used to being attacked no matter what they do, they sometimes seem insensitive to the appearance of impropriety, even if it is all smoke and no fire.

Being likable is kind of an important trait. Coming off as cold, distant, disingenuous and uncharismatic is not going to help you win a glorified popularity contest. Trump is all 4 but presented himself in a more personable, less robotic fashion and appearing human is a good way to distinguish yourself from the pack.

The days of the most qualified candidate winning ended a long, long time ago.

Not smart to embarass the guy in charge of pardons.

The South Park guys were real innovators in the gentle art of conservative Libertarians pretending to be moderates/liberals.

Oh certainly, people were forced to vote for a valueless "conservative" warmonger with no vision for the future beyond preserving the status quo which benefits his political class who brags about sexually assaulting women because they "let him do it".

Trump is completely full of **** on virtually everything.