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10-12-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Blimey. It's very hard to quantify how much harm is done by is done by the use of language in propagating/supporting prejudice and discrimination.

. The fact it does harm is sufficient for me.
Whatever the harm is, it is less than the harm to society if we limit free speech. Your political correctness is more e harmful to a free society than hurtful words of prejudice.
10-12-2017 , 08:13 PM
what if they did a three stooges episode where the stooges are working in the white house and they're trying to figure out who's leaking or who's not loyal, and moe says to curly (the president), "what if we start a rumor that people that work for you think you're a moron?"

and curly waits a beat and says, "well how do we know they're not talking to other people and then those other people relay it to reporters?"

larry, the secretary of state, bursts back into the frame and declares that he just went into the other room and called the president a moron in front of a random group of people, and that the plan is now underway.
10-12-2017 , 08:13 PM
Weird how the best way to deal with serial rapists and literal Neo-Nazis is to be engage them respectfully with reasoned debate but smartasses on the internet need to be ignored/banned.
10-12-2017 , 08:14 PM
In addition to flying private and fundraising on the public's dime the Secretary of the Interior revived a Navy tradition no one else does and makes them rise a flag when he's in the building and take it down when he leaves. He also had personalized commemorative coins made to hand out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...f98_story.html
10-12-2017 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
What does it say that I believe in your first amendment more than you do?
Do you not like The laws in Canada then? Because they're very against your views.

Clovis, your superior ideas and reasoning of the good winning out...brought Donald Trump into power. See where you failed?
10-12-2017 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Whatever the harm is, it is less than the harm to society if we limit free speech. Your political correctness is more e harmful to a free society than hurtful words of prejudice.
I appreciate some have that view although it's confusing too somewhat different things.

1) PC isn't a legal restriction on free speech.

2) Limits on free speech are a good thing but that's for the more extreme hate speech.

I don't agree that unlimited free speech is necessary or a good thing anymore. It's not like it was 300 years ago when speech was expensive and easy to suppress. It's not as bad as the 2nd amendment but the 1st also needs revisiting.
10-12-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Weird how the best way to deal with serial rapists and literal Neo-Nazis is to be engage them respectfully with reasoned debate but smartasses on the internet need to be ignored/banned.
Again I never called for his banning. I don’t think he should be banned. I think he should be ignored. That is why there is an ignore feature.

I reported his posts where he for the millionth time relitigates whatever his beef with chezlaw was, something he has done EVERY SINGLE time chezlaw posts. I asked mods why he is allowed to spam the forum the exact same posts every time chezlaw posts? Never once did I ask for his banning nor did I even ask for his post to be deleted.

Wookie simply lied while making my report post public, both of which I’m curious if they are allowed as per site rules.
10-12-2017 , 08:24 PM
No Idea where I got the idea I could quote your post reports.


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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Please post where I called for his banning itt or through reported posts?
10-12-2017 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Weird how the best way to deal with serial rapists and literal Neo-Nazis is to be engage them respectfully with reasoned debate but smartasses on the internet need to be ignored/banned.
The end.
10-12-2017 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
You are being so ****ing disingenuous it's disgusting. You don't have infractions or deleting posts?

I never called for his banning. You are straight up lying.
Delete his speech! Penalize his speech! I love free speech absolutism and debate!
10-12-2017 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Weird how the best way to deal with serial rapists and literal Neo-Nazis is to be engage them respectfully with reasoned debate but smartasses on the internet need to be ignored/banned.
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Do you not like The laws in Canada then? Because they're very against your views.

Clovis, your superior ideas and reasoning of the good winning out...brought Donald Trump into power. See where you failed?
I do disagree with our hate speech laws.

I also strongly disagree that reason and speech lead to trump. Progressives lost the battle but all the evidence says we are winning the war in the long arc of history. We are doing so not through censorship but though having better ideas. Look outside the US for all the evidence you need.
10-12-2017 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I asked mods why he is allowed to spam the forum the exact same posts every time chezlaw posts?
So your preference would be that he...have his speech rights limited?
10-12-2017 , 08:30 PM
Also Clovis: demod Wookie for posting things, too!
10-12-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
So your preference would be that he...have his speech rights limited?
Again, this isn’t some rhetorical gotcha. We dispatched of the stupid idea that anyone is arguing for absolute free speech about 100 posts ago.

I’m not allowed to make 100 posts in a row asking for torrents. There are site rules and nobody has a problem with that. Rules are how we function.

My point, in my private post report, was that fly makes the exact same post every time chezlaw shows up even when his post has nothing to do with whatever happened in Smp. There are forum rules about content and post tenor. Fly seems to get to ignore them because wookie doesnt seem to like chezlaw as well.


I don’t know chezlaw or his history for what it’s worth.
10-12-2017 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I asked mods why he is allowed to spam the forum the exact same posts every time chezlaw posts?
Good question.
10-12-2017 , 08:34 PM
WTF guys. PR has like 15% power, 50% water, Trump attacked the press, is gutting the ACA via EO, god knows what's going on w/ NK, and you are arguing over stupid ****.
10-12-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Delete his speech! Penalize his speech! I love free speech absolutism and debate!
Lol Clovman getting destroyed. You guys are funny.
10-12-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Also Clovis: demod Wookie for posting things, too!
I get it subtely is far beyond your intellectual capacity.
10-12-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
WTF guys. PR has like 15% power, 50% water, Trump attacked the press, is gutting the ACA via EO, god knows what's going on w/ NK, and you are arguing over stupid ****.
De La Soul is better than NWA.
10-12-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Wookie simply lied while making my report post public, both of which I’m curious if they are allowed as per site rules.
My man breaking our the Donald Trump classic "the leaks are simultaneously fake news and serious breaches of privacy" lol
10-12-2017 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I get it subtely is far beyond your intellectual capacity.
I mean, if you want to pretend that your exact words have no further implications to other than the plain text, I will mock your stupid sophistry. "Didn't say ban so you can't infer anything, I was just asking questions, lol"

LOL U
10-12-2017 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis
I don’t know chezlaw or his history for what it’s worth.
OK and just like the 14 words thing, have you considered that the tiniest amount of subject matter knowledge should maybe be the minimal threshold before forming and then sharing a strongly worded opinion?
10-12-2017 , 08:42 PM
Nas Illmatic, Jay Reasonable Doubt, Biggie Ready To Die are all classics.
10-12-2017 , 08:44 PM
Lol ORANGE is gonna speak at Value Voters Summit? Wtf is happening?


Edit: Nas 4lyfe
10-12-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Lol ORANGE is gonna speak at Value Voters Summit? Wtf is happening?


Edit: Nas 4lyfe
Values = white supremacy. The end.

      
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