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02-06-2017 , 12:36 PM
I listened to the podcast. Start at about 6 min. All I really got was that he is involved with The Government Accountability Institute which published Clinton Cash, and that he pushed a lot of reporting related to Clinton to NY Times and other mainstream outlets. I didn't hear anything about peer-reviewed research articles.
02-06-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
What people don't realise about Bannon is that he's been funding well researched articles and planting them in left-wing publications for years and years.

So when people post articles and share figures with each other you'll never quite know if the root source of that article was Bannon.

This is ingenious in many ways.
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Originally Posted by prana
Not that I believe that, but not really since most non mouth breathers look to peer reviewed research.
Oh, it's just a poorly-worded version of Bannon wanting to get NYT or whatever to do an article on one of his stories. It's not academic journals.
02-06-2017 , 12:40 PM
Why would it matter at all if Bannon funded liberal peer-reviewed research? And also, if he did and no one knows about it, what exactly was the gameplan?
02-06-2017 , 12:41 PM
Why do you guys have such resistance to the idea that Bannon brilliantly leveraged legitimate research to achieve his political ends?

Listen to the On The Media episode on Bannon from last week--it's only 12 minutes long and explains his methods perfectly.

Here's a rather prescient article from 2015 explaining how he does what he does. Ultimately this methodology is what took down HRC. I have little doubt she would be president if not for this man.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/g...-steve-bannon/
02-06-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
What people don't realise about Bannon is that he's been funding well researched articles and planting them in left-wing publications for years and years.

So when people post articles and share figures with each other you'll never quite know if the root source of that article was Bannon.

This is ingenious in many ways.
I read that Bloomberg article that Lord keeps sort of alluding to instead of linking(what kind of phone allows you to post on forums but doesn't have copy-paste?) and the only thing remotely close to

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funding well researched articles and planting them in left-wing publications for years and years.
mentioned is that he was loosely involved with pushing Clinton Cash to the New York Times, which has hated Hillary for 30 years.
02-06-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Forum needs to get way more aggressive with banning low post count idiots/astroturfers/whatever. Getting unreadable, especially when dummies quote them.
co-signed
02-06-2017 , 12:43 PM
Liberals would WANT Bannon to fund real, scientific, peer-reviewed research. That's the whole thing conservatives. If it's peer-reviewed by a real scientific community then we're all for it. But he doesn't do that. He runs Breitbart, which is hateful, misogynistic, racist, misinformative, dangrously xenophobic, and etc. It's all based on anecdotes and straight up lies.
02-06-2017 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Why would it matter at all if Bannon funded liberal peer-reviewed research?
I'm not really sure, but I was imagining the argument was supposed to be that strategic mastermind and clear thinker Bannon, who sees the world as it really is, was funding research which disproves the malignant SJW world-view, and somehow at the end we arrive at some version of ethnic nationalism being correct. But maybe that's too jaundiced a view.
02-06-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Some people will say "well that's just meritocracy" but the truth is it's really choking up our economy. The middle class is falling apart and the working class is living on debt, and that means people don't have money to spend at local businesses even though the unemployment rate is 4.9%, which is a VERY good unemployment rate. And is it really a meritocracy when most of these CEOs went to the same Ivy League schools that the vast majority of people, more and more, could never afford to go to?
I just want to add that it's nothing like a meritocracy. The explosive rise of executive pay is largely about management conspiring against the broad interests of stockholders. Large corporations are plutocracies themselves where a minority holds most of the power and uses it boost their own compensation and play the stock market. It's what happens when the finance industry takes over the country. It's people who fundamentally are not about cars or energy or steel or w/e, but about business in the abstract. It's the same in government where people who are just generally smart and interested generally in government are presumed to be the best people to run any program in any department.

Obama was only half bad at this though. He did do things like put a physicist in charge of the DoE unlike say Bill C. who put three different politicians/lawyers in charge of it. And it's not that lawyers aren't necessary as laws are involved, but laws are involved in business as well and I think most people think it's better if a car guy runs a car company and consults a lawyer rather than a lawyer running it and consulting a car guy.
02-06-2017 , 12:45 PM
Also, why the fixation on peer review? We aren't talking scholarly research. We're talking legitimate investigative journalism.
02-06-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
Why do you guys have such resistance to the idea that Bannon brilliantly leveraged legitimate research to achieve his political ends?

Listen to the On The Media episode on Bannon from last week--it's only 12 minutes long and explains his methods perfectly.

Here's a rather prescient article from 2015 explaining how he does what he does. Ultimately this methodology is what took down HRC. I have little doubt she would be president if not for this man.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/g...-steve-bannon/
Thank you sir.
02-06-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I'm not really sure, but I was imagining the argument was supposed to be that strategic mastermind and clear thinker Bannon, who sees the world as it really is, was funding research which disproves the malignant SJW world-view, and somehow at the end we arrive at some version of ethnic nationalism being correct. But maybe that's too jaundiced a view.
It's not research that proves anything ideological. It's research to attack individual politicians and create distrust in all sorts of publications.Then Brietbart points to this as evidence for its unrestrained and relentless attacks and conspiracy theory peddling.

This isn't ideological. It's about power, disruption, and control.
02-06-2017 , 12:48 PM
Also I don't see why peer review is being held up so highly here.

I do peer review all the time.

I have had five books through peer review.

I've acted as a reader or reviewer many times.

Bannon could easily get stuff through peer review if he wanted to. He probably has if you look at his publication history.
02-06-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I'm not really sure, but I was imagining the argument was supposed to be that strategic mastermind and clear thinker Bannon, who sees the world as it really is, was funding research which disproves the malignant SJW world-view, and somehow at the end we arrive at some version of ethnic nationalism being correct. But maybe that's too jaundiced a view.
I thought the point was that he was funding liberal stuff, but then when it was revealed that the funding source was Bannon all along liberals wouldn't know what to believe. Liberals' world collapses around them as the line between truth and fiction blurs eternally, and we are forced to admit that white people are the caretakers of the universe.

He's been doing it for years and only a handful of mouthbreathers on the the Internet are aware of it despite the entire plan relying on everyone knowing, but it is ingenious nonetheless.
02-06-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Also I don't see why peer review is being held up so highly here.

I do peer review all the time.

I have had five books through peer review.

I've acted as a reader or reviewer many times.

Bannon could easily get stuff through peer review if he wanted to. He probably has if you look at his publication history.
I only remarked on it because you seemed to claim that he funded peer-reviewed research too. I'm not sure how else to read that sequence with prana. I don't think anyone is surprised that Bannon sponsored oppo research into Clinton. I'm too lazy to bother arguing about "well-researched". *Shrug*
02-06-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I just want to add that it's nothing like a meritocracy. The explosive rise of executive pay is largely about management conspiring against the broad interests of stockholders. Large corporations are plutocracies themselves where a minority holds most of the power and uses it boost their own compensation and play the stock market. It's what happens when the finance industry takes over the country. It's people who fundamentally are not about cars or energy or steel or w/e, but about business in the abstract. It's the same in government where people who are just generally smart and interested generally in government are presumed to be the best people to run any program in any department.

Obama was only half bad at this though. He did do things like put a physicist in charge of the DoE unlike say Bill C. who put three different politicians/lawyers in charge of it. And it's not that lawyers aren't necessary as laws are involved, but laws are involved in business as well and I think most people think it's better if a car guy runs a car company and consults a lawyer rather than a lawyer running it and consulting a car guy.
Thank you for this great post and I'll just add that Trump and Congress are definitely organizing to try to figure out to overhaul the rules on the financial industry and allow for it to be a ridiculous unregulated wasteland (even moreso than now). The kind of conditions that got us the 2008 crash, but even worse and far more extreme.
02-06-2017 , 12:53 PM
If Bannon was funding peer-reviewed research, he was wasting money. He could have carved "Hillary = Satan" into a piece of stone and smashed tea party types in the face with it to the same effect, because they are dumb and gullible.
02-06-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Also I don't see why peer review is being held up so highly here.

I do peer review all the time.

I have had five books through peer review.

I've acted as a reader or reviewer many times.

Bannon could easily get stuff through peer review if he wanted to. He probably has if you look at his publication history.
From respected Journals...

i.e not ones you pay $2k to publish on like all the crackpot creationists and global warming deniers do.
02-06-2017 , 12:54 PM
Wait, Bannon wanted to get a negative piece on Clinton published in MSM and that's brilliant?

Ok, 1st level thinking is "publish a negative piece on Clinton".

2nd level is "try to sneak negative piece into liberal media".

You've got really low standards if that counts for brilliant.
02-06-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Oh, it's just a poorly-worded version of Bannon wanting to get NYT or whatever to do an article on one of his stories. It's not academic journals.
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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
Also, why the fixation on peer review? We aren't talking scholarly research. We're talking legitimate investigative journalism.
no, not quite


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Originally Posted by prana
Not that I believe that, but not really since most non mouth breathers look to peer reviewed research.
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Yes, he funded that too

lord's claim here, no one else's.
02-06-2017 , 12:54 PM
My understanding is that it was strongly implied. Did he not say journals?

But besides that knowing academia do you doubt for a single second that he could?
02-06-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Also I don't see why peer review is being held up so highly here.

I do peer review all the time.

I have had five books through peer review.

I've acted as a reader or reviewer many times.

Bannon could easily get stuff through peer review if he wanted to. He probably has if you look at his publication history.
Do you feel you succeeded in sneaking some disinformation through peer review? Do you feel some disinformation slipped through in the reviews you did?
02-06-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Also I don't see why peer review is being held up so highly here.

I do peer review all the time.

I have had five books through peer review.

I've acted as a reader or reviewer many times.

Bannon could easily get stuff through peer review if he wanted to. He probably has if you look at his publication history.
In what field do books go through peer review?
02-06-2017 , 12:56 PM
I love that his argument against peer review is "I get through peer review all the time."
02-06-2017 , 12:57 PM
books?

amazing that this troll is still allowed to post here...

      
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