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02-06-2017 , 11:41 AM
What people don't realise about Bannon is that he's been funding well researched articles and planting them in left-wing publications for years and years.

So when people post articles and share figures with each other you'll never quite know if the root source of that article was Bannon.

This is ingenious in many ways.
02-06-2017 , 11:44 AM
Not that I believe that, but not really since most non mouth breathers look to peer reviewed research.
02-06-2017 , 11:44 AM
Yes, he funded that too
02-06-2017 , 11:45 AM
notsureifserious
02-06-2017 , 11:46 AM
Just ask him for a citation and he'll shut up for a while and change the subject.
02-06-2017 , 11:50 AM
Wook has to find trolls entertaining to allow people like OutTaGetMe to continue posting.
02-06-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
What people don't realise about Bannon is that he's been funding well researched articles and planting them in left-wing publications for years and years.

So when people post articles and share figures with each other you'll never quite know if the root source of that article was Bannon.

This is ingenious in many ways.
How do you argue with these morons? They live entirely and without break inside a total fantasy world completely devoid of facts or reason.
02-06-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Most of us stopped paying by-the-minute for phone calls years ago; a luxury that’s not available to the men and women in prison, where the few providers of phone service charge as much as $14/minute. The FCC’s efforts to cap these rates are currently being held up in court, and with a new business-friendly Chairman at the helm, the FCC has opted to not defend the very rules it came up with only 15 months ago.
Trump's FCC chairman being heartless to the most vulnerable of society in the interests of profits, or a Bannon planted article. You decide!

https://consumerist.com/2017/02/02/n...n-phone-rates/
02-06-2017 , 11:53 AM
Lord is essentially a wordier, slightly more civil, just as racist (if not more racist) version of wil. Just ignore him and his disingenuous shtick of I'M LIBERAL BUT SJWS ARE SUPER BAD. Exile him to PU. He adds nothing here and we've seen this exact act before.
02-06-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
notsureifserious
Not only is this 100% true, he targeted the most prestigious academic journals and the most trusted newspapers.

He knew people would not trust info coming out of right-wing press and he knew that facts -- that is, from credible sources -- would be more persuasive over time.

In this way he steadily eroded trust between politicians and people. They got to see facts for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs or his ultimate message, he was supremely effective.
02-06-2017 , 11:55 AM
So maybe someone can help me articulate this because I've been getting into arguments with Trimpers regarding JOBS. Isn't this the lowest unemployment rate in nearly a decade? Why does Trump keep harping on bringing back JOBS for millions of people when millions of people that aren't working probably will never work. I'm just baffled on how people think this is so good for the country. If someone who used to mine coal or work in an auto factory wants a job, they can retrain or go back to school and prepare for another job? Why do we need to bring back these industries that were popular around WW2 to make our economy flourish "again".

I'm just baffled.

So please don't troll just educate me.
02-06-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Not only is this 100% true, he targeted the most prestigious academic journals and the most trusted newspapers.

He knew people would not trust info coming out of right-wing press and he knew that facts -- that is, from credible sources -- would be more persuasive over time.

In this way he steadily eroded trust between politicians and people. They got to see facts for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs or his ultimate message, he was supremely effective.
You got any citations of this happening?
02-06-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
notsureifserious
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
How do you argue with these morons? They live entirely and without break inside a total fantasy world completely devoid of facts or reason.
Actually I've just researched this more thoroughly than you have by consuming in excess of 30 hours of analysis from many sources a week.

My source for this information on Bannon is WNYC studios On the Media, which is a left leaning source. And after that umpteen profiles and exposes.

Do your homework
02-06-2017 , 12:00 PM
So that's a big no on the citation.
02-06-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
So maybe someone can help me articulate this because I've been getting into arguments with Trimpers regarding JOBS. Isn't this the lowest unemployment rate in nearly a decade? Why does Trump keep harping on bringing back JOBS for millions of people when millions of people that aren't working probably will never work. I'm just baffled on how people think this is so good for the country. If someone who used to mine coal or work in an auto factory wants a job, they can retrain or go back to school and prepare for another job? Why do we need to bring back these industries that were popular around WW2 to make our economy flourish "again".

I'm just baffled.

So please don't troll just educate me.
It's because Trump is using a different metric to measure the "true" employment rate". Which is not simply total number of people who get paid to do stuff.

I forget the exact term they use.
02-06-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Wook has to find trolls entertaining to allow people like OutTaGetMe to continue posting.
He let ikes tard the place up for years, don't see why he's stop this guy.
02-06-2017 , 12:04 PM
I'm on my phone so it is hard to link stuff.

Look for On the Media. President Bannon episode. About 13 mins. Guy on there has all the citations.
02-06-2017 , 12:04 PM
yeah no
02-06-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
Isn't this the lowest unemployment rate in nearly a decade? .

This is the debatable stuff, what is the actual unemployment numbers, people who have quit searching, how is that counted. Trump (not that i believe it or not) said that the people not searching are not included as unemployed.

I dont think we need to re-energize the coal mines but we can bring back a lot manufacturing jobs and stuff and pay people properly (not just CEOs) if we get paid more we can pay higher prices and not rely on walmart to be americas biggest employer
02-06-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
So maybe someone can help me articulate this because I've been getting into arguments with Trimpers regarding JOBS. Isn't this the lowest unemployment rate in nearly a decade? Why does Trump keep harping on bringing back JOBS for millions of people when millions of people that aren't working probably will never work. I'm just baffled on how people think this is so good for the country. If someone who used to mine coal or work in an auto factory wants a job, they can retrain or go back to school and prepare for another job? Why do we need to bring back these industries that were popular around WW2 to make our economy flourish "again".

I'm just baffled.

So please don't troll just educate me.
To answer your questions:
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Isn't this the lowest UE rate in nearly a decade?
Yes, about 4.9%

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Why does Trump keep harping on bring back JOBS for millions of people that aren't working probably never will work.If someone who used to mine coal or work in an auto factory wants a job, they can retrain or go back to school and prepare for another job?
It's not always that easy to retrain and start a new career especially at 40 or 50 years old. However, that is the direction we should be going in (offering people more education options) because the truth is mining + manufacturing simply aren't coming back en masse.

One thing is that people are very confused because while unemployment is really low right now, wages are stagnant and have been stagnant for 30+ years. Even though prices haven't risen much in the last 5 years, over 30 years they've risen enough to where people are really getting choked out and people's wages simply aren't going up. So costs like mortgage payments, health insurance, car payments, seem much more difficult to make now than they did 25-30 years ago because the wages simply haven't risen to keep up with inflation--particularly among workers without a college degree.

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Why do we need to bring back these industries that were popular around WW2 to make our economy flourish "again".
We don't and we can't. There is simply no way we can compete with super-low-wage, no-regulation countries like China and Pakistan where workers gruel for long hours and little pay in horrible, unsafe conditions. If people realized the conditions they would have to work in to be competitive with those countries, they would realize this.

The way forward is investing in science, technology, software development, green energy, 3D printing, robotics, etc. and giving our population the education that they need so they can work in these fields. These are the fields that we have a huge advantage in as they produce a huge amount of value per worked manhour, and many countries simply don't have the resources to possibly compete with us in these fields. A few do, like Japan, and by not investing in education and technology we are letting them get more ahead of us every single year. Not good.
02-06-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
How insanely stupid is this guy & his staff? https://twitter.com/brianklaas/statu...92088300318720
I like the simple part (below) in that guy's Twitter:

Polls: fake!
Protesters: paid!
Popular vote: rigged!
02-06-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Actually I've just researched this more thoroughly than you have by consuming in excess of 30 hours of analysis from many sources a week.

My source for this information on Bannon is WNYC studios On the Media, which is a left leaning source. And after that umpteen profiles and exposes.

Do your homework
Oops. You just got caught flat out lying.

I've listened to every single episode of On The Media and they have never made any such claim.

Can we please ban this idiot now?
02-06-2017 , 12:07 PM
http://www.wnyc.org/story/presidentbannon/

Literally here

Also look up Joshua Green, Bannon profile.
02-06-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
This is the debatable stuff, what is the actual unemployment numbers, people who have quit searching, how is that counted. Trump (not that i believe it or not) said that the people not searching are not included as unemployed.

I dont think we need to re-energize the coal mines but we can bring back a lot manufacturing jobs and stuff and pay people properly (not just CEOs) if we get paid more we can pay higher prices and not rely on walmart to be americas biggest employer
Trump counted everyone not working as unemployed, which in itself is a useful number but not what people mean when they talk about unemployed because it includes students, the elderly, the disabled, and children.
02-06-2017 , 12:08 PM
I mean it's literally there.

      
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