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02-06-2017 , 09:37 AM
In other news, Russia is starting to stick its nose into French election. Uh ho, Le Pen received financing from a Russian bank.

In french, sorry.
02-06-2017 , 09:38 AM
It's usually the Russian astro-turfers who can't figure out where question marks go in sentences, right?
02-06-2017 , 09:43 AM
WAT
02-06-2017 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
Trump's FDA Pick Could Undo Decades of Safeguards
newly discovered drugs can take years to reach the market, a period that Mr. Trump said last week was too lengthy.
“When you have a drug, you can actually get it approved if it works, instead of waiting for many, many years,” he told the pharmaceutical executives. “We’re going to be cutting regulations at a level that nobody’s ever seen before, and we’re going to have tremendous protection for the people.”
...
Drug industry leaders say that they want the F.D.A. to be more open to allowing new kinds of clinical trials, and that it needs to become more nimble in keeping up with the breathtaking pace of medical advances. They have also been prodding the agency to fill an estimated 1,000 staff vacancies so that decisions can be made on more quickly. But that is apparently delayed because the president ordered an across-the-board hiring freeze.
yea there's pros and cons to this, according to my gf who is ever so close to being a doctor at this point. the concerns are obviously the things stated in the article about undoing consumer protections, the FDA's position as the gold standard bearer for the world, long-term side effects of certain drugs going undetected, and making it easier for pharma companies to introduce "me too" drugs which prevent patient access to lower priced generics (doesn't really prevent access so much as doctors generally prefer prescribing "newer" drugs).

on the plus side, some of these proposals would allow groundbreaking drugs reach the market more quickly and this is especially useful for treating diseases which are terminal and have no known cures, or diseases with devastating physical side effects whose current treatment drugs are inadequate, and it allows pharma companies to make more money more quickly which in theory would provide them extra incentive to develop new drugs.

of course it's all pretty stupid tho because if we switched to single payer and took some of the outrageous amounts of money that private insurance companies are currently lifting out of the system via shareholder profits and instead spent it on subsidizing medical research under a thorough standard of testing/safeguards, then that would obviously take care of most of these problems.

but cant do that cuz herp derp socialism, big govt, and regulations. i think we can safely assume that anything the trump admin or jim o'neill wants to do with undoing FDA regulations/protections will be a net negative to our society.
02-06-2017 , 10:03 AM
Wow thats really grabbing at straws but yea that does hed a little light. The news just keep reporting they changed the outcome (since cnn wants this apples to apples stuff) ok the russians got trump elected (not the american people) and hillary was nothing but be a victim (unlike Bernie who really did get his OUTCOME effected)
02-06-2017 , 10:56 AM
Someone needs to get on improving the ignore function so that any posts quoting someone on an ignore list are also ignored.
02-06-2017 , 10:57 AM
We need a troll button.
02-06-2017 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BABARtheELEPHANT
OutTaGetMe trying, and, succeeding in "making" everyone waste time. Sad!
Only those dumb enough not to ignore him ldo
02-06-2017 , 10:59 AM
Effective:





Outcome: Winners

Ineffective:





Outcome: losers

To put into words exactly what those images suggest:

McConnell - highly effective at political strategy, using the rules and playing within the rules to maximise his party's interests and weakening his enemy.

Bannon - highly effective at ensuring his core messages get over with people, even those on the other side of the political fence. He did this through stealth mostly. Also highly effective at controlling news cycles.

SJWs - shouting into the ether in a manner that will ultimately cause people to laugh at them.

Last edited by LordJvK; 02-06-2017 at 11:04 AM.
02-06-2017 , 11:05 AM
Forum needs to get way more aggressive with banning low post count idiots/astroturfers/whatever. Getting unreadable, especially when dummies quote them.
02-06-2017 , 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordJvK
What you mean to say is that you'd like to ban anyone who does not broadly agree with you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordJvK
These people are literally not worth my time.

You do not get "speak to Lord" privileges.

I require these things for people to talk to me.

Age: at least 24
Qualifications: At least BA level
Virginity: Must have lost it

Anyone not meeting these criteria will be summarily ignored by me from now on.
Are you vetting people in here too?
02-06-2017 , 11:16 AM
Derailment and irrelevant to topic
02-06-2017 , 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordJvK
What you mean to say is that you'd like to ban anyone who does not broadly agree with you.
This is exactly what he saying, as they slam trump for doing the same thing
02-06-2017 , 11:18 AM
02-06-2017 , 11:20 AM
All other stuff aside, the whole "pharma what can we do to help you"
"Hire more people"
"Uh..."

Is fairly amusing
02-06-2017 , 11:20 AM
Lord, I'll explain the joke to you. It's funny because you posted a derailment and irrelevant post accusing someone of wanting to ban those who don't agree with them and then I posted your safe space requirements. A list that must be satisfied before you would engage with a poster. In effect you would ban posters who you don't agree with!

HA!
02-06-2017 , 11:23 AM
Not only did Donnie not know what he was signing, that order is one of the most controversial and influential executive orders he's signed so far. Many of the others are more symbolic as he needs actual legislation behind them, but that one is for real and the impacts of it are enormous.
02-06-2017 , 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverman
Forum needs to get way more aggressive with banning low post count idiots/astroturfers/whatever. Getting unreadable, especially when dummies quote them.
So this. The single best rule this forum could adopt would be a minimum post count.
02-06-2017 , 11:25 AM
How insanely stupid is this guy & his staff? https://twitter.com/brianklaas/statu...92088300318720
02-06-2017 , 11:27 AM
Lords idiotic definition of effective is signing an EO he doesn't understand then having it overturned within 48 hours.

Low bar ftw.
02-06-2017 , 11:28 AM
This is how I envision Trump and Bannon going over executive orders

EDIT: How do you add the time to this instead of telling people just to go 10 seconds in?

02-06-2017 , 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by einbert
Not only did Donnie not know what he was signing, that order is one of the most controversial and influential executive orders he's signed so far. Many of the others are more symbolic as he needs actual legislation behind them, but that one is for real and the impacts of it are enormous.
I believe what we have seen is a deliberate strategy
02-06-2017 , 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clovis8
Lords idiotic definition of effective is signing an EO he doesn't understand then having it overturned within 48 hours.

Low bar ftw.
ONLY upside for them. Plays into all their usual narratives
02-06-2017 , 11:33 AM
Scheduled to work at MacDill AFB for the next few months but got pulled today to take care of an emergency some place else. Pissed I won't be there for the Presidents visit. Had I seen him I would have heckled him for sure.

Last edited by MrWookie; 02-06-2017 at 08:26 PM. Reason: User request
02-06-2017 , 11:37 AM
"Sure we LOOK like incompetents who have no idea how government operates but trust us it's all part of the plan"

This is the level of respect they have for their followers and of course sicophants like Lord just slurp it up.

      
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