Tribe says Trump entering 25th amendment territory. Btw, Tribe one of 10 most respected legal scholars in the country (though def. liberal).

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/828246324155973633

i think that THE WALL needs to be like that wall from LOST!! that protected the hostiles

SIZZLE!!!

We obviously have plenty of "problems" but if you look at the western democracies in the best shape my hot take will be that it really, really helps when you have an overwhelming majority opinion on the stuff the US litigates every election.

Great poasts DVaut1. Long-term ideals for dems seem pretty clear: don't be an Cock bag. I would say what your seeing at the moment on the left is organic outrage not grievance politics. Maybe they are the same thing. People can't help themselves. They need to yell in the face of idiots doing stupid ****.

You guys are talking as if the Democratic Party has ever shown a shred of competence, let alone the inclination or unanimous ethical void necessary to play this game.

I will never, ever get over this. And i'm a pretty reasonable person that stands to lose basically nothing from this presidency.

People aren't going to settle down. I say using it is a good idea, once we get good outcomes people will settle down.

The difference between the left and right here is that The Koch Bros, Mercer, DeVos etc are real things and Soros is not. It's not that Soros doesn't donate money, he does, it's just that he supports things he actually supports. The right uses white grievance to kill the EPA and cut taxes.

And what are the left's excesses? Outside of the 30 people in Antifa there's no call for the end of capitalism or for guillotines and for pretty obvious reasons it's pretty impossible for any commercial media to advocate in that direction.

The most radical extrapolation of the popular left? Accepting refugees, open immigration, and a freeze on new fossil fuel development?

Or did I miss the point (definitely grunching a bit) and the risk is that someone who didn't go to Harvard might get elected?

the last 40s is the most interesting to me. when he gushes over putin for being at 80% approval rating in russia. like, how can you be so blind?

wait until he hears that in austria they voted 99% to join the nazis. or that the communist party in soviet union won every election at like 99.9%.

Good thread here that converges with DVaut's very good posting (yes I realized that's redundant.) Cliffs: Best way to defend democratic norms is to make Trump unpopular.

There's that expression, The Republicans fear their base and the Democrats despise their's. But they both fear their bases. Republicans are afraid their base will rebel and vote them out, so they give them what is demanded. The Democrats are afraid of what their base wants.

So, as someone who is getting heavily involved with my local and state Democratic Party, what general strategic suggestions should I be making?

There is actually a state convention coming up next week and I plan to talk with a lot of the leadership and try to figure out what the hell went wrong at the local and state level the last few elections and what can be done to fix it.

So what time today does Trump get his grubby hands back on his Twitter and does he go after SNL or appeals court first?

After every election, a lot of disappointed supporters of the losing side claim that (i) their side lost because they played the game too gently; and (ii) their side is destined to lose forever unless they grow a pair.

This reaction almost always is an overreaction.

Democrats don't need to shed their ethics to win back the presidency.

I agree with most of this, but I think you're overstating the risk that grievance politics poses to the left. I think there's potential to create a powerful shift to the left in this country precisely because the grievance politics of the left are more tightly moored to realizable policy.

The modern populist left has a coherent policy vision for America, and the populist right absolutely does not. You are viewing these thing as producing inherent tension. -- i.e., you cannot have the Outrage Machine working at full blast AND a coherent policy vision. I think there's something to that, but you are overstating the risk as it applies to the left. The Trump administration is having trouble because behind those grievances there was very little substance, sure. But another part of the problem is that the people in power are using their base, and vice versa. The populist/nationalist industrial town furor on the right is in stark contrast with the WASPy ex-bankers of the Capitol Hill GOP. Their mutual interests are questionable, and that they can operate in tandem is not a given. Meanwhile, the Dems are currently looking at a party of Al Franken/Liz Warren/Bernie. Those people are in control of its politics, and they are also its populist heroes.

The Democratic Party (or liberalism, I should say) has always been hamstrung by the big tent. They need centrist policies to bring in the numbers, and most liberals come along because the alternative is terrible. The prospect of Trump's failure presents the possibility for a reversal of this dynamic: the leaders of the party are staunch liberals, and the centrists come along because to the right there is only chaos.

Don't sweat a long term solution too hard because there is none, other than continual struggle.

Its nice and noble to think long-term ideals and focus on next election etc..
To all of people who make hitler comparisons (that should be changed to something else for communication purposes anyway since people dont like to hear that),how do you put long-term ideals together with hitler comparison?
Does that mean just wait all the events to unroll ?

The muslim ban being halted doesnt go along with the think long term stuff and lets stop the outraged attitude.
If there wasnt that outaged attitude the ban would still be in place to begin with.
Think long term is good when not facing extremes.
In this case the think long term might result watching lot of people dying (worst case scenario) or being in a position where all your rights to oppose have been stripped and living in a dictatorship.
Thats obv worst case scenario but if no one shouts now that means you dont think whats going on is that bad and warrants strong (imediate) response.

Lets hope for the best but guys just think about the possibility that to solve this you might have to literally make a revolution one day.(worst case scenario.best case would be the guy retires and all his cabinet with him).

I'm also mystified by the belief that everyone on welfare can get a job if they want one, but for some reason the same people are worried about jobs going overseas??

Yea I think people in general (and Presidents) underestimate how hard it is to be the POTUS. Like, there is something going on 100% 24/7 in the world. You have to have the ability to mute the noise and focus on what is important. That's something I think Obama did well. We are seeing with Trump what happens when you can't do that effectively.

Dip**** centrist libs are, unsurprisingly, grasping their pearls over Trump saying America kills people like he was making a left-wing critique of our foreign policy. There's no way they actually believe that American innocence BS, so they are... what? Trying to shame the jingoist right? "Lookee he don't like America"

Jesus Christ these ****ing ******s. Right wingers LIKE that we kill people! Trump wasn't attacking America's sacred honor as the country that doesn't kill people, he was casually endorsing murder of political opponents as a valid strategy! And you can't ****ing capitalize on that because you're too devoted to impressing imaginary moderate Republicans?

WAAF

I think it just comes down to a ton of ppl just love to make others suffer. it is no fun being on welfare. it is not an easy life at all. food stamps do not come close to covering an adequate diet. and yet a large percent of the population prioritizes making their lives even more miserable.

one thing Ive noticed is that the hardest working ppl I have ever come across were poor.

Losing the popular vote is failure in his mind. So we've seen how he deals with failure - he concocts bull**** about having been cheated.

Fascists need someone to look down on. For working-class whites in rural America, Trumpism gives them an entire group of people to look down on, even if they have little education, income, status, etc. For all their decrying of coastal elites, they have found their own form of elitism and it's incredibly powerful.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

He's wearing a Russian flag on his jacket. LMAO.

Probably mods should just ban anyone who doesn't agree with you.