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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-05-2017 , 03:11 AM
Just want it to be posted that trump as still not resigned from or divested his company.
02-05-2017 , 03:29 AM
Here's something to contemplate. Exactly one week ago this time all sorts of people were all up in arms about the ban EO, it really felt like a big time political crisis. But now it has passed into just another thing that happened in the past, and there is not much talk about it. This is a long game and it needs to be played that way. The Trump group is not going to fall apart overnight. They can do the most outrageous things and yet that too will pass into a distant memory quicker than you think.
02-05-2017 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
Its ultimately going to take one of these idiots having someone in their family killed by a terrorist from one of these countries who they let in to wake up and finally come to their senses.
Even though that killing would be the 1st killing, that's still not how any of this works.

Last edited by 5ive; 02-05-2017 at 04:45 AM.
02-05-2017 , 04:49 AM
Trump is failing to MAGA but I think we can all agree that he has Made SNL Great again.
02-05-2017 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
This atmosphere just doesn't let itself to a sensible discussion in any way. There is too much blinkered partisanship, and in this mode people don't want to talk, they only want to fight or cheer each other on.

Sad times. I cannot post here when emotions are running this high and people are being unreasonable on this scale. If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.
Give it the old college try. While I admit most here are involved and heard the trump quote excuses perhaps you are the one who changes the tide.

However if you are just woes me nobody will listen or participate in discourse on excuses they have argued hundreds of times then yeah you are sol.

At this point nothing about Clinton, obama or john Adams is relevant. So if you want to live in the here and now and defend trump,and his admimistration for what they are doing then go for it. The second you invoke a former president or candidate though, you have lost the audience.
02-05-2017 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
In the first instance I think you have to pipe down, accept he won, re-group, think about what went wrong, think about how to beat him in four years.

Trump is one of the only politicians any of us have ever seen who does this:

1. I am making this promise.
2. Now I am delivering on this promise.

Now, given that, he's taking a huge risk with his base. If he cannot deliver his promise, if he screws things up, they will turn against him. If he doesn't, then hey ho, a good economy is a good thing right.

But if he does screw up, then you can start to really hurt him.

This stuff, this stuff right here, only makes him stronger.

He can turn and say "look, these elites are trying to stop the will of you, the people".

He can say "look, we were right, they are sore losers and they cannot take it, and they want to keep you down"

etc. etc.

Got to be smarter than this. If things continue this way, mark my words, Trump will win again. And after him someone like him again. And again.

And so on, until people learn the lessons of 2016.

Same here in the UK too.

good god shut the **** up
02-05-2017 , 05:09 AM
Appeal court refuses to reinstate Trump's travel ban
02-05-2017 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
It's still mind-boggling that someone dumb enough to make that tweet is elected president. If any vetting process needs to be strengthened it's apparently the one used to elect the president.
But it is the democratic fault for selecting Clinton. The republicans get little backlash for nominating a crazy person with multiple personality disorders.
02-05-2017 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Appeal court refuses to reinstate Trump's travel ban
After saying of the appeal “We’ll win. For the safety of the country, we’ll win.”, are we about to see a huge Trump meltdown?
02-05-2017 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Is there some established narrative tradition I don't know about where everything Trump, the GOP and their fan base are doing right now isn't evil? I mean, I can't claim to have read every book, seen every movie, or listened to every fable passed down through the generations, but I have been exposed to quite a lot of them. Based on all the stories we tell ourselves to help us understand who we are, I'm pretty sure Trump is the bad guy.

Yes there is. One side things Trump is Hitler, the other side things he is giving the finger to the establishment.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1565403...ially-if-it-is
02-05-2017 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
So what should intellectuals do?

Let me tell you what they shouldn't do ... they should not become tribal, they should not give up actually thinking in the name of blind opposition and partisanship.

The moment that someone can predict your position on any given topic is the moment you've stopped thinking.

The current tactics to combat this are not working. The opposition to Trump has become the illiberal mirror to Trump.

That's no good. We MUST be better than that.

it's all just ****ing gibberish
02-05-2017 , 05:22 AM
Embarrassing gibberish too.
02-05-2017 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
This atmosphere just doesn't let itself to a sensible discussion in any way. There is too much blinkered partisanship, and in this mode people don't want to talk, they only want to fight or cheer each other on.

Sad times. I cannot post here when emotions are running this high and people are being unreasonable on this scale. If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.
It's pretty much a confirmed fact 25%?of us voters are dumb and actively vote against their own interst. This is not conducive to discourse.

Please briefly outline three of trump's strongest policy initiatives.
02-05-2017 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
It's pretty much a confirmed fact 25%?of us voters are dumb and actively vote against their own interst. This is not conducive to discourse.

Why do people vote against their own interests?
02-05-2017 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
So you're saying a man should be forced to be a parent and be financially on the hook but that a woman shouldn't be forced, right?
Grunching but basically, yes. It's not a perfect solution but it's the best. Not everything has a perfect solution.
02-05-2017 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Might be, but what does it change. Outside of the USA we do have the sentiment that Americans vote for stars not policy and the election did prove that somewhat right. I just hope that after this is all over America will have a long look in the mirror and rethink how its democracy works.

But DeVos being in charge of education doesnt seem if that would actually happen.
02-05-2017 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
Yes there is. One side things Trump is Hitler, the other side things he is giving the finger to the establishment.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1565403...ially-if-it-is
good article. the cognitive dissonance from the liberals on this forum is astounding. they convinced themselves back in July that bernie was going to cost hillary the election, and they still believe that to this day she lost because of bernie. nevermind the fact that she had a double digit lead with less than six weeks to go, no amount of facts or logic will get them to stray from their initial hypothesis of hillary losing the election because of bernie and his bros.
02-05-2017 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
After saying of the appeal “We’ll win. For the safety of the country, we’ll win.”, are we about to see a huge Trump meltdown?
I guess this still has legal legs but it's going to be 'holding breath time' if he actually loses. A rant is inevitable but what will he actually do?

Part of the problem now is we have to remind ourselves that this **** is really serious and not just an awesome version of House of Cards.
02-05-2017 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
good article. the cognitive dissonance from the liberals on this forum is astounding. they convinced themselves back in July that bernie was going to cost hillary the election, and they still believe that to this day she lost because of bernie. nevermind the fact that she had a double digit lead with less than six weeks to go, no amount of facts or logic will get them to stray from their initial hypothesis of hillary losing the election because of bernie and his bros.
The article basically says, if you protest him and he turns into Hitler, it's your fault he turned into Hitler... But the liberals are the ones with cognitive dissonance issues?

There are some posters here who blamed Bernie, but there seem to be plenty of Bernie supporters who supported Clinton, voted, urged friends/family to vote, etc... If not on this board, in real life. Plus, nobody's really talking about that at this point anyway.
02-05-2017 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Trump is failing to MAGA but I think we can all agree that he has Made SNL Great again.
When Civilization 7 comes out you can play as "so called" president trump LOL


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02-05-2017 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Well if you look at US history, they are right to be concerned.

When Chinese immigrants came to the US in the 1800s, they imposed Chinese law.

The Italians in the early 1900s imposed Italian law.

Mexicans have imposed Mexican law. Why do you think Cinco de Mayo is a federal holiday?
You might have a point - Trump with his German ancestry is trying to impose German 1930s law.
02-05-2017 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Well if you look at US history, they are right to be concerned.

When Chinese immigrants came to the US in the 1800s, they imposed Chinese law.

The Italians in the early 1900s imposed Italian law.

Mexicans have imposed Mexican law. Why do you think Cinco de Mayo is a federal holiday?
And the Irish introduced Murphy's Law, which has probably had the biggest effect.
02-05-2017 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
The article basically says, if you protest him and he turns into Hitler, it's your fault he turned into Hitler... But the liberals are the ones with cognitive dissonance issues?

There are some posters here who blamed Bernie, but there seem to be plenty of Bernie supporters who supported Clinton, voted, urged friends/family to vote, etc... If not on this board, in real life. Plus, nobody's really talking about that at this point anyway.
no, the article says that liberals want trump to turn into hitler. which is not false.
02-05-2017 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Double Eagle
I think there's a decent chance he's not comparing Putin to America's past but telling us what he'd like to see in our future.
Yeah, jesus, this. You can see some small cadre of America is Historically Exceptional because we only do good in the world people getting their jimmies rustled because Trump told the truth (e.g.,the US has engaged in many of the behaviors we criticize despotic world leaders of doing). Let's just concede Trump that point.

But critically, and much worse: Trump respects Putin for it!

Trump is rightfully criticized for how much bull **** he spews, but one thing that is becoming apparent is that he actually intends to act on all of the worst stuff he promised during the campaign and seemingly, some of his worst impulses. How many times does Trump have to issue ham-handed proclamations of respect and admiration for Putin or how the Chinese handled protestors in Tiananman Square before we give him credit for meaning it?
02-05-2017 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
In the passage before that exerpt he talks about previous dictatorships:



Hitler was an ideologue. Trump isn't. Bannon's ideology? Nihilism? (not even an ethos) Power for its own sake?
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...dview-visa-ban

It's pretty much a mashup of all the 20th century white supremacy movements.

      
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