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09-15-2017 , 11:37 AM

#57301

dlk9s

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

Had to Google "Chain Migration" to find out what that was. After looking through the first page of results a thought occurred to me: the left-wing gets their asses kicked when it come to disseminating information/propaganda online. Every link but one on the first page was to some right wing anti-immigration group. The only hold was a Forbes article titled, "The Myth of Chain Migration."

I've had similar experiences when searching out information related to climate change. Most of the results are from groups that the oil and gas companies pay to throw shade at it.

It's similar with alt-health nuts who post bull**** articles on Facebook. I know what they're posting is total bull****, but want to look it up to make sure. When I Google the topic, every site is some naturalnews or Dr. Mercola crap.

09-15-2017 , 11:43 AM

#57302

eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

the left-wing gets their asses kicked when it come to disseminating information/propaganda online.

How are you supposed to compete with lies, misleading statement, and other bull**** though? People have set up a confirmation bias bubble around them and won't even entertain alternative hypotheses. I genuinely have no idea how you can infiltrate that.

09-15-2017 , 11:56 AM

#57303

FlyWf

It's the other way

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It's legitimately concerning that we're losing our shared reality. Right wingers really and truly believe Chicago is a warzone. They really and truly believe that, and no facts will sway them otherwise. So of course their views on criminal justice reform include more militarization, that's a reasonable response to a major American city being more dangerous than cities controlled by ISIS.

09-15-2017 , 11:57 AM

#57304

bobman0330

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Striking a blow for people who said he was one of the crazies, John Kelly apparently went on a crazy rant about how Mexico was going to collapse like Venezuela, and we need to have a WALL to protect us from the ensuing chaos:

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Mr. Kelly launched into a passionate call for stouter border defenses, including his general support for a beefed-up barrier, offering a remarkably pessimistic view of Mexico’s security situation and political stability.

He likened Mexico, one of the United States’ most important trading and law enforcement partners, to Venezuela under the regime of Hugo Chávez, the former leader, suggesting it was on the verge of a collapse that would have repercussions in the United States, according to two people who attended the meeting.

"Passionate call" here is a journalistic view-from-nowhere euphemism for unhinged rant, in case that's not clear.

09-15-2017 , 12:00 PM

#57305

stinkubus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eyebooger

Doing what it takes to get your links on the first page of any relevant Google searches would be a start.

09-15-2017 , 12:17 PM

#57306

Joshfan

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Right wingers are the ones googling things like chain migration, so right wing websites will usually be the top results, how do you combat that?

I also assume there are a lot more right wing articles with specifically "chain migration" in the title or used multiple times in the article.

09-15-2017 , 12:21 PM

#57307

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

Doing what it takes to get your links on the first page of any relevant Google searches would be a start.

Maybe google should take a bit of responsibility for the **** that their site presents to users. its crazy thst we let then get away with their "we're just a platform" attitude.

09-15-2017 , 12:23 PM

#57308

ScreaminAsian

For President

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Trump’s Speculation on London Attack ‘Unhelpful,’ British Officials Say

President Trump on Friday suggested British intelligence officials were aware of the assailant or assailants behind an unfolding terrorist attack on the London subway, an assertion that British officials called unhelpful speculation.

Prime Minister Theresa May alluded to Mr. Trump’s Twitter post in an interview with reporters, saying, “I never think it’s helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation.”

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“True or not — and I’m sure he doesn’t know — this is so unhelpful from leader of our ally and intelligence partner,” Ms. May’s former chief of staff, Nick Timothy, wrote on Twitter.

09-15-2017 , 12:24 PM

#57309

stinkubus

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4,422

I would expect Google to do whatever makes them the most money because that's how it works with publicly traded companies. Given the scope of what one can find on Google I can't even imagine how they would go about beginning to regulate/filter content.

09-15-2017 , 01:13 PM

#57310

codemanz5

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Name a president who has had a first year 40% as bad as Trump, let alone this bad. All this administration is doing is weakening the Presidency by showing that the economy can continue on with a crappy president.

40%? Bill Clinton, easily. I remember 1993 like it was yesterday. (Travelgate, haircutgate, Whitewater, dead soldiers in Somalia, etc.)

09-15-2017 , 01:14 PM

#57311

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Maybe google should take a bit of responsibility for the **** that their site presents to users. its crazy thst we let then get away with their "we're just a platform" attitude.

Considering how awful their new 'fact check' feature on Google News is, I'm not optimistic even if they try.

09-15-2017 , 01:21 PM

#57312

batair

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See he still wants to ban all Muslims with a travel ban violating the 1st amendment. Since he listens to common sense and stuff im surprised that has not changed...

And lol at trump crying political correctness is in the way and then the later tweet calling for PCing of ESPN. Snowflakes.

Last edited by batair; 09-15-2017 at 01:27 PM.

09-15-2017 , 01:26 PM

#57313

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by codemanz5

40%? Bill Clinton, easily. I remember 1993 like it was yesterday. (Travelgate, haircutgate, Whitewater, dead soldiers in Somalia, etc.)

LOL, Trump has ignored s candles bigger than those before he was even elected

09-15-2017 , 01:44 PM

#57314

stinkubus

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I've got to say for someone who has kept such a high profile Trump was a master at hiding that **** from people prior to the election. I had no idea how scummy he was; I'm surprised him fleecing AC the way he did wasn't his ruin.

09-15-2017 , 01:57 PM

#57315

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

LOL, Trump has ignored s candles bigger than those before he was even elected

Just imagine if there was a special counsel appointed specifically to look into any possibly shady transactions Trump had made, or if the FBI investigated him for firing WH staff so he could give the jobs to friends.

09-15-2017 , 02:02 PM

#57316

Neuge

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Maybe google should take a bit of responsibility for the **** that their site presents to users. its crazy thst we let then get away with their "we're just a platform" attitude.

Related, I think.

https://www.propublica.org/article/f...ach-jew-haters

09-15-2017 , 02:19 PM

#57317

Huehuecoyotl

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Trump wondered how dumb America was for taking refugees. As America takes in refugees from the White House, we'll soon find out

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That’s one interpretation of White House service: to serve the president as the president wishes to be served, to tell the lies that the president wishes to have told. Spicer is not the only Trump veteran to have that view of the job. So does his successor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders. So do Kellyanne Conway and the former White House staffer Sebastian Gorka. They work for the president, they follow his orders—whatever their own interior misgivings—and they say whatever he tells them he wants said, just as his attorneys and accountants do.

That’s certainly a view. But Spicer also demanded recognition and credit, not merely as a henchman of the president’s, but as a public servant.

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Yet as Spicer told Kimmel: He saw himself as serving the president—the president, personally.

If he said things that were not true, and not once but repeatedly, that is justified by the president’s order. If he bullied the press and did his utmost to deceive the nation—from the nation’s own platform and at the nation’s expense—the nation has no right to complain, because he did what the president asked.

Which suggests that whatever thanks Spicer is owed, he is owed by the president, and not the nation. He was not working for you. He was working for Trump.

Almost immediately after delivering his “I was following orders” defense of lying about crowd sizes, Spicer lamented his own maltreatment by the press

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That’s the point that needs to be underscored. Spicer had worked closely with Donald Trump from the clinching of the Republican nomination on May 3, 2016, to the convention and fall campaign, through the election and transition. He knew Trump well, knew what he was and who he was, and knew in particular that Trump habitually spoke and wrote untruths. When he accepted not merely the job of Trump press secretary, but also the definition of the job as “speaking in the way that he wants,” Spicer was signing up in advance and with full advance knowledge for a job that required lying as an essential element. Once you do that, you lose the right to get huffy about your integrity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...eption/540033/

09-15-2017 , 02:22 PM

#57318

fatkid

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I wonder if presidential pardons come in coupon booklets like your mom use to have with free dinners and cheap oil changes?

09-15-2017 , 02:28 PM

#57319

sportsjefe

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Originally Posted by Joshfan

Exactly. It's all algorithms.

There's a story about how Facebook allows you to market to anti-Semites, because to a computer, anti-Semitism is just another 'interest'.

https://twitter.com/ProPublica/statu...22250268946432

And if you have companies start to put their finger on the scale, what happens if somehow the finger changes?

09-15-2017 , 03:04 PM

#57320

Dominic

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09-15-2017 , 03:08 PM

#57321

nomaddd

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

I find this ironic.

Left-wingers really and truly believe x about right wingers. I agree, we are losing our shared reality, and instead relying upon our perspectives as the reality we choose to believe.

09-15-2017 , 03:12 PM

#57322

Max Cut

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On average, one side believes in evidence and logic while the other side too often believes in amplified anecdotes and idols.

09-15-2017 , 03:12 PM

#57323

ScreaminAsian

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Trump Declines to Release List of His Visitors at Mar-a-Lago

The Trump administration on Friday escalated a battle with government ethics groups by declining, even in the face of a federal court order, to release a comprehensive list of individuals visiting with President Trump at his family’s Mar-a-Lago resort during the two dozen days he spent at the private club in Palm Beach, Fla., this year.