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02-04-2017 , 06:22 PM


all the same bad people that have been pouring into the country for the 200 years prior to that EO
02-04-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
He's correct. The judge is loosely interpreting an immigration law to claim this ban is unconstitutional
Haven't looked at the decision/order, but this is irrelevant. Trump's statement is wrong regardless of the substance of the decision.
02-04-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
This is actually not true. I will also add that the majority of young people protesting do not belong or support either political party and are not major fans of capitalism.
Nancy Pelosi smugly stating "We are capitalists." is as tone deaf as anything anybody's said this year.
02-04-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Facing a packed auditorium and raucous crowd, Republican Congressman Tom McClintock on Saturday defended his party’s national agenda and voiced strong support for President Donald Trump’s disputed executive actions to scale back Obamacare, ban refugees from seven predominantly Muslim countries and build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“Vote him out,” hundreds of demonstrators chanted outside the Tower Theatre in downtown Roseville, the Republican-heavy population center of McClintock’s sprawling congressional district. Inside the theater, more than than 200 people gathered for a town-hall event hosted by McClintock.
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Ramsey acknowledged the larger crowd there to oppose Republican leadership, and said Saturday’s demonstration felt different than others he has attended in Roseville.

“I’ve been to a half dozen of these, I’ve never seen it like this before,” Ramsey said.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...#storylink=cpy

02-04-2017 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
You fellow realize "you" is both 2nd person singular and plural. Please argue most of you don't hold that position?
Most of us don't hold that position, but you're the one who made the claim in the first place, so you're the one with the burden of backing it up with a citation.

I'll give you a hint since it's clear you haven't even looked, and just made these assumptions completely blindly. "The Resistance" thread is where you will find the liberal activists' response to the Milo event. Go take a look for yourself, the post history is right there for everybody to see.
02-04-2017 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Haven't looked at the decision/order, but this is irrelevant. Trump's statement is wrong regardless of the substance of the decision.
Agreed. He should be tweeting what I said but I'm wondering if questioning the judges interpretation of the law is touchy ground.
02-04-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
np,

That's besides the point though. You pretend to be ok with peaceful protest and that's what you've gotten from about 4,999,970 of the 5 million people who have so far protested this administration and that's not good enough. 30 people breaking windows (and not the guy who shot 6 muslims) changes everything for you. Well, no, it didn't really change anything because you always despised protest and loved Trump.
And you know this precisely How???

Jean Dixon reincarnated?

Possess soul reading skillz over the interwebz?

Do you ever think about what you write before you write it? You have zero notion about my political participation or lack thereof.

I can give you a pro tip: I didn't volunteer for the Viet Nam War when I was draft eligible :-)
02-04-2017 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
Agreed. He should be tweeting what I said but I'm wondering if questioning the judges interpretation of the law is touchy ground.
Much less touchy than saying that injunctions themselves are somehow judicial overreach.
02-04-2017 , 06:29 PM
Two thirds of the posts in this thread are either from astroturfers, or people responding to these two obvious astroturfers. The legit posts in this thread are getting lost in the noise, and it's getting really hard to follow legit events.

It's pretty obvious that this is their agenda, so please stop engaging them.
02-04-2017 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
There was a derail going on about posts about posters and demands for cites about posts about posters. It's all irrelevant to politics and clearly wasn't getting anywhere.
Not your forum Chez, no one cares what you think here.
02-04-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by runout_mick
Two thirds of the posts in this thread are either from astroturfers, or people responding to these two obvious astroturfers. The legit posts in this thread are getting lost in the noise, and it's getting really hard to follow legit events.

It's pretty obvious that this is their agenda, so please stop engaging them.
The first part is true.
The second part will never happen.
02-04-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I do not support fascists, I just want people to stay level headed.

It's becoming virtually impossible to stay independently minded in these very partisan times. Look how people have tried to label and codify me in this thread simply because I'm not following their line.

I can say that I think Trump is very dangerous AND that I don't agree with everything his opponents are doing at the same time.

This is a view I hold, because I think for myself and don't follow the crowd. Apparently you aren't allowed to do that any more or you get called names.

And if you want to know the avatar came from mocking someone who accused me of being a facist because I think capitalism is a good idea.

I can change it. Can you open up you mind to entertain competing narratives though? Seems not.
You use the term "virtue signaling." You are the very definition of a puppet
02-04-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
And you know this precisely How???

Jean Dixon reincarnated?

Possess soul reading skillz over the interwebz?

Do you ever think about what you write before you write it? You have zero notion about my political participation or lack thereof.

I can give you a pro tip: I didn't volunteer for the Viet Nam War when I was draft eligible :-)
I know it because I'm reading your posts. The Presidency of the United States has been taken over by an idiotic fascist and will affect every single person on the planet now and for generations to come and you're worried about 30 people with no power who broke windows and set trash on fire in Berkeley.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...-days-1651105/

This is what is happening and yet a draft dodging hippie is more concerned about protests that are infinitely less destructive than the civil rights and Vietnam protests of the 60s?
02-04-2017 , 06:37 PM
02-04-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I do not support fascists, I just want people to stay level headed.

It's becoming virtually impossible to stay independently minded in these very partisan times. Look how people have tried to label and codify me in this thread simply because I'm not following their line.

I can say that I think Trump is very dangerous AND that I don't agree with everything his opponents are doing at the same time.

This is a view I hold, because I think for myself and don't follow the crowd. Apparently you aren't allowed to do that any more or you get called names.

And if you want to know the avatar came from mocking someone who accused me of being a facist because I think capitalism is a good idea.

I can change it. Can you open up you mind to entertain competing narratives though? Seems not.
Also, isn't you crowing on and on and on about being so independent and non-partisan virtue signaling in its own right? You put it in nearly every post you make
02-04-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
What's the original?
02-04-2017 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Which was worse for Trump so far: Week 1 or Week 2?

Week 1: exec orders for an immigrant ban, for the wall, and against the TPP. The firing of the AG.

Week 2: Bowling Green, the judge reversing his ban, Iran/Australia/Berkeley, the exec orders on financial regulations, Tillerson gets confirmed.
Do you mean, which of these is less good for Trump?
02-04-2017 , 06:45 PM
NYTimes - Bannon's Book Club

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Mr. Bannon was carrying a book, and when an incoming president’s guru is reading a book, you should find out what it is. I walked by and peeked. It was “The Best and the Brightest,” David Halberstam’s 1972 history of the strategic errors and human foibles that birthed the disastrous American involvement in the Vietnam War.

...

The phrase “the best and the brightest” is frequently misused, “failing to carry the tone or irony that the original intended,” Mr. Halberstam said in a 1992 preface. For instance, when Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, said in November that President-elect Trump sought to fill his administration with “the best and brightest in the country,” he presumably meant it in earnest.

But the implied irony was not that the advisers weren’t impressive men (always men, usually men who had attended Harvard). They were. Rather, Mr. Halberstam’s caustic title and the nearly 700 pages that follow indict the notion that society’s smartest are necessarily the ones best equipped to tackle society’s biggest problems.

Mr. Halberstam’s bull’s-eye is painted on a specific kind of smart person. President Kennedy chose his men based on general wits, rather than on specific knowledge. Perhaps the most famous example was Robert McNamara, an ingenious scientist of managerialism, a president of Ford Motor Company, who as secretary of defense, said Mr. Halberstam, “knew nothing about Asia, about poverty, about people, about American domestic politics.”

...

In early 1964, for instance, a State Department study concluded that bombing North Vietnam to reach a favorable political settlement would fail. The finding “reflected the genuine expertise of the government from deep within its bowels,” Mr. Halberstam writes. But the higher-ups favored bombing, and so there was bombing. (Which failed.)

“You’ve got these guys that are so brilliant, but they’re generalists,” said Mr. Logevall. “There’s a distinction to be drawn, he concludes, between this abstract quickness, this verbal facility, and true wisdom, which he says was missing.”

Such a reading prompts thought of the more than 1,000 State Department employees who signed a dissent cable opposing the immigration executive order — an order that, according to reports, was written by Mr. Bannon and the Trump adviser Stephen Miller, neither of whom are counterterrorism experts (or lawyers).
In light of the early decisions of this administration (think about the appointments of unqualified, "generally smart" people like Tillerson, Perry, Carson, DeVos, et al), the author suggests that Bannon may be overlooking the lessons of The Best and the Brightest. My scorching hot take is that he's deliberately using the book as a manual for how to create a crisis.
02-04-2017 , 06:49 PM
Well he is literally on the record saying he wants to destroy our country and government, so....
02-04-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
In light of the early decisions of this administration (think about the appointments of unqualified, "generally smart" people like Tillerson, Perry, Carson, DeVos, et al), the author suggests that Bannon may be overlooking the lessons of The Best and the Brightest. My scorching hot take is that he's deliberately using the book as a manual for how to create a crisis.
In Trump's case you have to replace "smart" with rich and/or famous. There's no way Perry gets on a list of smart. I'm not sure what puts DeVos in that category either. I guess Carson may be smart despite not sounding like it.
02-04-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
The balance is the legally maintained asymmetry. Both parties are equally responsible for the fact of a pregnancy. Given certain brute facts, we accept that the decision to bear the child or not is entirely the woman's. The woman bears the brunt of the risk in making that decision. This asymmetry arises from those same brute facts, and it is balanced by introducing the artificial asymmetry where the man is bound by the woman's decision. There's nothing to fix. The problem you're pointing at is the solution, is what I'm saying.
so the solution is that when the two parents don't want to co-parent that the woman gets custody more often because she is the one giving birth?
02-04-2017 , 07:00 PM
My hopefully-ridiculous hot take is that President Bannon wants to start a war, so he can get his puppet Trump to launch those awesome shiny nukes he's just itching to use. Not sure surgical drone strikes against known targets is gonna satisfy Bannon's blood lust when it comes to RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
02-04-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Well he is literally on the record saying he wants to destroy our country and government, so....
But remember we're supposed to assume they aren't serious when Trump and Co. say things like that.
02-04-2017 , 07:07 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...president.html

lol bannon

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Report: Steve Bannon Had to Be Reminded He Wasn’t the President Amidst Travel Ban Infighting
02-04-2017 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Most of us don't hold that position, but you're the one who made the claim in the first place, so you're the one with the burden of backing it up with a citation.

I'll give you a hint since it's clear you haven't even looked, and just made these assumptions completely blindly. "The Resistance" thread is where you will find the liberal activists' response to the Milo event. Go take a look for yourself, the post history is right there for everybody to see.
I have zero burden. I am on this board at the pleasure of its owner and his agents. They may revoke that any time they please.

So you want to go on record saying the majority here doesn't advocate shutting down free speech they don't like? I'll hold "you" to it. None of you thought closing down Trump's campaign speech in Chicago was a good thing?

A moderator here certainly implied he was OK with Milo being shut down from speaking by violence:

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Originally Posted by MrWookie View Post
Oh look, Milo is openly calling for ethnic cleansing, but please, tell me more about how I should be upset that people broke some windows.
A fellow name einbert wrote this:

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UC Berkeley officials were afraid that Milo would possibly target specific undocumented students on campus and single them out during his presentation.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/UC-wa...d-10901517.php
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"We are deeply concerned for all students’ safety and ability to pursue their education here at Cal beyond Milo’s speech,” the university’s Office of Student Affairs said in a letter Tuesday to the Berkeley College Republicans, the students hosting the event. “Milo’s event may be used to target individuals, either in the audience or by using their personal information in a way that causes them to become human targets to serve a political agenda.”

The letter expressed concerns that Yiannopoulos — a British writer for the right-wing opinion site Breitbart News — will use his appearance to kick off a campaign “targeting the undocumented student community on our campus,” and linked to an article published Tuesday on the site.
Sure sounds like justification of shutting Milo down to me, even though the UC administration allowed the show to go on....

This einbert fellow also wrote:



If written in the middle of the Milo discussion this doesn't advocate taking extralegal means to 'follow your conscience', I don't know what does.

      
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