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09-11-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81

I guess not knowing who Alan West is means I'll never make the Sklansky 7.
Best batman ever imo.
09-11-2017 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
There's also the argument that the Democrats had eight years to enact those changes and never did, so why should anyone expect them to make it a priority over the next four or eight years.

There's also an argument that big banks (who were the major donors to the Clinton campaign) benefit from having banking regulations passed in a blanket manner. So she lacks a lot of credibility when it comes to promising to make those changes, which would harm the institutions who gave her a lot of money.

I would compare it to the Republicans use of family farms when they defend an inheritance tax. Sure, there might be a family farmer out there who would be hurt, but it also conveniently protects the interests of a lot of wealthy people as well.

So I think you can understand how my friend could be pretty skeptical that Clinton would actually follow through on her promises.
Conclusion: Vote Trump
09-11-2017 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235

So I think you can understand how my friend could be pretty skeptical that Clinton would actually follow through on her promises.
Doesn't sound like they knew about the promises so that is hard to understand.
09-11-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
There's also the argument that the Democrats had eight years to enact those changes and never did, so why should anyone expect them to make it a priority over the next four or eight years.

There's also an argument that big banks (who were the major donors to the Clinton campaign) benefit from having banking regulations passed in a blanket manner. So she lacks a lot of credibility when it comes to promising to make those changes, which would harm the institutions who gave her a lot of money.

I would compare it to the Republicans use of family farms when they defend an inheritance tax. Sure, there might be a family farmer out there who would be hurt, but it also conveniently protects the interests of a lot of wealthy people as well.

So I think you can understand how my friend could be pretty skeptical that Clinton would actually follow through on her promises.
There's also an argument that Trump is a ****ing idiot who doesn't know anything about anything, and who lies constantly about everything, and therefore he should not be trusted to implement the policy your friend wants. But somehow he still found himself on the Trump Train. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
09-11-2017 , 02:29 PM
Sessions mulling lie detector test for entire NSC staff: report

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...c-staff-report

Don't lie detectors not actually work? I mean, other than not working, this is a great plan to buck up morale and ferret out the leakers. Well, it's also not under the jurisdiction of the DOJ, so I am pretty sure a formal FBI investigation would have to be initiated to investigate the National Security Council, which would look great and I am sure would be fine with the military.

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Sessions' idea is to do a one-time, one-issue, polygraph test of everyone on the NSC staff. Interrogators would sit down with every single NSC staffer (there's more than 100 of them), and ask them, individually, what they know about the leaks of transcripts of the president's phone calls with foreign leaders. Sessions suspects those leaks came from within the NSC, and thinks that a polygraph test — at the very least — would scare them out of leaking again.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-jeff-ses...483756611.html
09-11-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What do you think racism is if it is not voting for a guy who explicitly promises to subjugate or deport non-white people and to restore the status of white people?
Probably like most people the thought is that the racist element of the vote is those who support trump because they like the racist policies (to avoid nits that would commonly include the policies against Mexicans and Muslims). Some might argue that's (nearly) all of them but that's a different claim to yours.

The rest may well deserve criticism because they vote for a guy with racist policies among other things. I felt similarly about those who voted for Tony Blair after the Iraq war despite them believing he was complicit in war crimes and torture (among many other things). Some of us went to the Lib Dems or protest parties but many carried on voting labour based on the other policies, habit, party allegiance etc.
09-11-2017 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Best batman ever imo.
Adam West
09-11-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Sessions mulling lie detector test for entire NSC staff: report

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...c-staff-report

Don't lie detectors not actually work? I mean, other than not working, this is a great plan to buck up morale and ferret out the leakers. Well, it's also not under the jurisdiction of the DOJ, so I am pretty sure a formal FBI investigation would have to be initiated to investigate the National Security Council, which would look great and I am sure would be fine with the military.
Lie detectors are a joke. They should go straight to waterboarding imo.
09-11-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
There are billionaires like the koch's, and then there are billionaires like jobs/bezos/musk/buffet/gates. There's a lot of progressive change you could effect with their help. I mean, I believe in taxing corporations too, but that villainous message easily plays into the old right wing lie that they are the party of small business
Not sure about the others, but Buffet and Gates have already made comments suggesting they should be taxed higher.

I do agree Democrats should be careful not to antagonize the small business community. Personally, I think they should stick with villainizing billionaires instead of corporations. But if they want to throw in the corporation bit too, make sure it's limited to big corporations.
09-11-2017 , 02:44 PM
So wait. For conservatives, 9/11 now refers to 9/11/12 and not the real 9/11?
09-11-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Doesn't sound like they knew about the promises so that is hard to understand.
I can't be sure what he did or didn't know, but I would imagine he was aware of her position on that issue.

I am sure he weighed that in comparison to what was actually done on the issue over the past eight years and made a decision based on those variables.

Was it the right decision? I don't think so, but it was his decision. And I certainly can't fault him for making it.

And he wasn't a Trump supporter when the choices were Kasich and Trump, so I don't think he was too excited about his choices in the general election. And I am sure he isn't too happy with how things have unfolded.

But I also think it's strange that people on here automatically assume he's an ignorant racist whose whole goal in life is to hurt brown people. He's a great guy. He hangs out with me despite the fact that we have vastly different views. He volunteers for charity. He has raised three great kids.

To me, the greater problem is that people would jump to conclusions about him based on one factor, and exhibit such hatred toward someone they don't even know. It's indicative of the level of political discourse in the US right now, which is why I even jumped into this thread in the first place. It's also a problem the left seems unwilling to face.
09-11-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
The last 100 years of US government efforts and social progress created one of the most powerful and advanced countries with among the highest life expectancy and most wealth of any nation in the history of the world.
No. US life expectancy is poor. Per the World Health Organisation's table, the US is behind the whole of Western Europe and also places like Chile and Costa Rica. (For obvious reasons to do with the defective and silly US health-insurance system, which is, like most things to do with American society, a hangover from slavery. The private health-insurance system, unique in the Western world and extremely damaging, is a 'keep-'em-down' measure, as any fool knows. President Obama was aware of this and used to talk about it. The current president favoured by the American electorate obviously doesn't have any problem with that type thing at all.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ife_expectancy
09-11-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235

Was it the right decision? I don't think so, but it was his decision. And I certainly can't fault him for making it.
I recommend you start faulting him, at least enough to point out that Clinton > Trump. For the reasons Wookie pointed out.
09-11-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
I can't be sure what he did or didn't know...
Since you're obviously talking about yourself, you probably can be sure.
09-11-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
So wait. For pieces of **** like James Woods, 9/11 now refers to 9/11/12 and not the real 9/11?
fyp, but yes
09-11-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
I am sure he weighed that in comparison to what was actually done on the issue over the past eight years and made a decision based on those variables.
Part of those variables is (or should have been) all of Trump's terrible positions on just about everything.

It's super idiotic to be a single issue voter on banking regulations. Exponentially so to not even pick the right candidate about that single issue.
09-11-2017 , 03:01 PM
Pretty sure you can fault someone for using terrible "logic" to vote for someone who is a vicious racist anyway as leader of the free world.
09-11-2017 , 03:06 PM
For my Mom it's Hillary laughing maniacally as she personally tortures and chops up beautiful little babies just days from being born.

How the hell do you argue with that?
09-11-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Adam West
that's the joke.jpg
09-11-2017 , 03:11 PM
How can you even know that? There's no way that show even aired over there.
09-11-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
I can't be sure what he did or didn't know, but I would imagine he was aware of her position on that issue.

I am sure he weighed that in comparison to what was actually done on the issue over the past eight years and made a decision based on those variables.

Was it the right decision? I don't think so, but it was his decision. And I certainly can't fault him for making it.

And he wasn't a Trump supporter when the choices were Kasich and Trump, so I don't think he was too excited about his choices in the general election. And I am sure he isn't too happy with how things have unfolded.

But I also think it's strange that people on here automatically assume he's an ignorant racist whose whole goal in life is to hurt brown people. He's a great guy. He hangs out with me despite the fact that we have vastly different views. He volunteers for charity. He has raised three great kids.

To me, the greater problem is that people would jump to conclusions about him based on one factor, and exhibit such hatred toward someone they don't even know. It's indicative of the level of political discourse in the US right now, which is why I even jumped into this thread in the first place. It's also a problem the left seems unwilling to face.
But you're part of the left though right? You were clear about that and you're facing it so obviously we're not doing too badly. If he voted for trump he's a best racist indifferent. Which is a sucky thing to be. He voted for a racist who didn't express even the remotest interest in his self professed topic of highest importance over a non-racist who had detailed policy plans to specifically address his issues of concern. Forgive us if we don't instantly bend over backwards with the benefit of the doubt.
09-11-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
How can you even know that? There's no way that show even aired over there.
I'm highly cultured.

Also,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman...adcast_history

United Kingdom
ITV (1989–1992)

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09-11-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
I can't be sure what he did or didn't know, but I would imagine he was aware of her position on that issue.

I am sure he weighed that in comparison to what was actually done on the issue over the past eight years and made a decision based on those variables.

Was it the right decision? I don't think so, but it was his decision. And I certainly can't fault him for making it.
Ill fault him. Trump is an idiot and wont fix anything. Really.


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And he wasn't a Trump supporter when the choices were Kasich and Trump, so I don't think he was too excited about his choices in the general election. And I am sure he isn't too happy with how things have unfolded.

But I also think it's strange that people on here automatically assume he's an ignorant racist whose whole goal in life is to hurt brown people. He's a great guy. He hangs out with me despite the fact that we have vastly different views. He volunteers for charity. He has raised three great kids.

To me, the greater problem is that people would jump to conclusions about him based on one factor, and exhibit such hatred toward someone they don't even know. It's indicative of the level of political discourse in the US right now, which is why I even jumped into this thread in the first place. It's also a problem the left seems unwilling to face.
To me the above is part of the problem here. I have not done that and am pretty sick of answering for it.

I dont know him so i dont know if he is a racist or voted because of it. He did vote for a racist and religious bigot tough so he does and should own that support of racism and bigotry.

Last edited by batair; 09-11-2017 at 03:31 PM.
09-11-2017 , 03:17 PM
So the US and Iraq took back Mosul, and hardly any news. Now ISIS is getting pummelled and their territory is shrinking. You'd think Trump would be crowing about it every day. Instead he's fixated on taxes, KJU, and whatever celeb or politician is pissing him off that day. Seems weird.
09-11-2017 , 03:18 PM
Pretty sure "centrists" such as yourself coddling the feelings of people on the issue of who is more sincere on ****ing banking regulations when people's lives are literally at stake is the real problem here. Really, "you can't find fault," where is your moral compass?

"Hey buddy, this a moral apocalypse we are facing here, why are we talking about banking regulations?" is all that needed to be said to your friend. Instead, "can't find fault," wtf?

      
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