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02-04-2017 , 05:25 PM

#5626

np1235711

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

Salt Lake City confirmed unconcerned about the executive order.

Best post of the day... Jordan definitely pushed Byron Scott off with his left hand to create space for the series winner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEVeoJPb0-k

02-04-2017 , 05:25 PM

#5627

Bigoldnit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordJvK

His core message was actually one of unity, not division.

Go and listen to I have a Dream and he talked about equality, shared values, two people with colour of different skin sitting down to break bread. It was a message that anyone could get behind. And he was fighting genuine injustice, and systemic racism. He did it by making penetrating arguments built of very sound core principles, not by appealing to identity politics. I made a video about it.

"A message that anyone could get behind"

Except:

- The numerous politicians who called him an outside agitator.

- The police who arrested him for civil disobedience (hint: when he wrote Letter From A Birmingham Jail, he wasn't there a visitor)

- The FBI, which spied on him and wrote letters to him encouraging him to commit suicide

- White moderates/liberals who told him to go slow (again, see the Letter from A Birmingham Jail)

- Oh, and the dude who shot him

02-04-2017 , 05:26 PM

#5628

DeroDeniro

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,273

Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

I wonder where we lost our way, as a country.

It's still mind-boggling that someone dumb enough to make that tweet is elected president. If any vetting process needs to be strengthened it's apparently the one used to elect the president.

02-04-2017 , 05:28 PM

#5629

ScreaminAsian

For President

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordJvK

This atmosphere just doesn't let itself to a sensible discussion in any way. There is too much blinkered partisanship, and in this mode people don't want to talk, they only want to fight or cheer each other on.

Sad times. I cannot post here when emotions are running this high and people are being unreasonable on this scale. If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.

bye felicia

02-04-2017 , 05:28 PM

#5630

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

Then what would be the way to fix the asymmetry on this side? We agree that allowing women to choose is acceptable even though it has a huge impact on both parties, but why not balance this in some way by allowing males a choice in the process as well (even if the choice cannot be whether to have an abortion, which I agree it should not be).

The balance is the legally maintained asymmetry. Both parties are equally responsible for the fact of a pregnancy. Given certain brute facts, we accept that the decision to bear the child or not is entirely the woman's. The woman bears the brunt of the risk in making that decision. This asymmetry arises from those same brute facts, and it is balanced by introducing the artificial asymmetry where the man is bound by the woman's decision. There's nothing to fix. The problem you're pointing at is the solution, is what I'm saying.

02-04-2017 , 05:28 PM

#5631

Autocratic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

There is a difference between mildly bad outrages and outrages that are of a debatable nature (or trivial, such as when Obama said 57 states). For example criticizing Trump over pressuring CEOs not to move their factories.

So?

The point is that when a voting bloc perceives their interests to be under siege, they are easily and effectively mobilized. That liberals are overreacting to more minor issues is not counterproductive (politically), it is an indication that they will vote in 2018/2020. That some of these issues are trivial is inconsequential, just like it didn't matter that some of the issues mobilizing the right were literal fictions.

02-04-2017 , 05:31 PM

#5632

Rococo

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Trump eventually is going to order a federal agency to disregard a court order. Having his idiotic orders thwarted by the judiciary is something that he simply cannot tolerate.

He probably will have to walk it back pretty quickly because there will be considerable opposition, even among the GOP, but he is going to give it a whirl.

02-04-2017 , 05:31 PM

#5633

aoFrantic

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Is my pony slow or did someone else posted that trump fell for fake news and reposted a false story of Kuwait imposing a ban similar to his?

02-04-2017 , 05:32 PM

#5634

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47,995

Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Lord literally never answers I straight question. He instead, deflects to other questions of his own like you said. It is incredibly transparent but unfortunately encouraged in chezland, home of the alt right.

No it's not encouraged but derailing threads into opinions on posters doesn't help with anything.

02-04-2017 , 05:33 PM

#5635

np1235711

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

How about you explain for us in your own words how Martin Luther King Jr achieved what he did by staying silent and not making a fuss or being at all partisan.

No one (at least I don't) advocate staying silent about anything you don't like or not making a fuss.

Lighting **** on fire, violently suppressing thought or speech were not in his playbook that I can remember. You fellas seem perfectly happy with those tactics.

Make your case and listen to the other side under the light of the noonday sun and let the merits of the argument win the day. They generally will with the vast majority in time

02-04-2017 , 05:33 PM

#5636

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

Young people are only that way until they get jobs
And realize they're the ones paying for these clowns the libs want to bring into this country who sit on their ass and get payed for by us. Most people who are normal and not hippies or bohemians become more conservative after age 30-35

This is actually not true. I will also add that the majority of young people protesting do not belong or support either political party and are not major fans of capitalism.

02-04-2017 , 05:33 PM

#5637

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

lest we not forget the republican politicians that followed who crafted the now infamous "southern strategy", whose execution and effects we still see today, designed to pander specifically to those (hint: a LOT of people) who didn't exactly "get behind" his message

02-04-2017 , 05:33 PM

#5638

markksman

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Originally Posted by prana

It it's not becoming clear, despite it all being about the economy, none of that **** is raising an eyebrow. They are however saying Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do wrt to Muslims and Mexicans. All the people I asked why the **** they would vote for Trump a few months ago couldn't name anything specific but now they sure are liking the **** out of memes about killing Muslims and sanctuary cities being targeted.

Yeah it's frustrating that the only real tangible thing trump has done is harass Muslims and brown people and his base has extrapolated that to thinking he has lived up to all his campaign promises.

Other than his promise to be a racist, xenophobic douche, he has not filled any other promise.

02-04-2017 , 05:35 PM

#5639

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

No it's not encouraged but derailing threads into opinions on posters doesn't help with anything.

How on earth is asking for citations on the posts people make a derail? It is absurd the length you go to defending the alt right. I sincerely hope no one is ever radicalized on your forum like they have been on reddit/the chan sites before an attack.

02-04-2017 , 05:38 PM

#5640

einbert

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02-04-2017 , 05:38 PM

#5641

master3004

Revisionist Historian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordJvK

So what should intellectuals do?

Let me tell you what they shouldn't do ... they should not become tribal, they should not give up actually thinking in the name of blind opposition and partisanship.

The moment that someone can predict your position on any given topic is the moment you've stopped thinking.

The current tactics to combat this are not working. The opposition to Trump has become the illiberal mirror to Trump.

That's no good. We MUST be better than that.

Wow. You stopped thinking a loooooong time ago then. I can build a LordJvK post-bot with my eyes closed

02-04-2017 , 05:38 PM

#5642

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

There was a derail going on about posts about posters and demands for cites about posts about posters. It's all irrelevant to politics and clearly wasn't getting anywhere.

02-04-2017 , 05:39 PM

#5643

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by np1235711

I don't have the time to rebut point by point, but what you say here is I feel Trump might become hitlerian somehow. That isn't a very strong argument to me.

First everyone who runs for president has an oversized ego. You don't think HRC thinks she's the smartest person in the room and has all the answers. The first and second prerequisites for running for president is having an over sized ego and enormous hubris. Certainly not exclusive to Trump.

To "there's an ethnic group holding the country" back analogy falls completely on its face. Hitler blamed everything (especially the economy) on greedy subhuman Jews.

Trump never says anything about Muslims in that regard other than a sub set of them is dedicated to the violent overthrow of any system other than their own theocracy. He didn't blame them for the market crash in 2008 or anything hitlarian like that.

Now if the courts rule against his EO's on visas from certain countries, he'll have to abide.... if it doesn't, his EO's will stand. Simple stuff, really

I'm not feeling a threat to democracy here....

You are a cutie patootie in your naievete. Trump,has already ignored judicial orders. He has been sued so many times pre-presidency and lost he has nothing but contempt for judges.

That you think he would honor a court order that squashes #MAGA, then you are mistaken.

I don't know how really familiar with Adolph Hitler pre world war 2 but the comparisons have a lot of strong correlations.

02-04-2017 , 05:39 PM

#5644

np1235711

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Yeah.... other than the minor point of filling the SC vacancy with a conservative origionalist as promised.

A minor unsubstantial thingy....

02-04-2017 , 05:40 PM

#5645

BMOL33

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Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 722

Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

He made up his mind to do this long before Trump ever started spouting his interesting thoughts on immigrants and Muslims.

02-04-2017 , 05:42 PM

#5646

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by np1235711

Yeah.... other than the minor point of filling the SC vacancy with a conservative origionalist as promised.

A minor unsubstantial thingy....

He also literally said he got rid of dodd frank to make his buddies rich. Just imagine Hillary saying that. Np would have a stroke.

02-04-2017 , 05:42 PM

#5647

DeroDeniro

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Not sure if already posted. First time I'm seeing it:

State Dept reverses visa ban, allows travelers with visas into U.S.

02-04-2017 , 05:42 PM

#5648

Double Eagle

Health Care Thread Czar

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,323

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

We need the report of what's happening at SLC IAH or DFW because I guarantee you the reaction isn't the same there.

Ask and you shall receive. Salt Lake City earlier today.

02-04-2017 , 05:44 PM

#5649

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

So how long til we have our first lawsuit over the Australian refugees not being let in? I will say by Wednesday

Plus it's a horrible move to renege on agreed upon agreements with allies.

I said it previously but I am sure our closest allies have already been meeting to make plans if and when the US goes fully off the tracks. This has not been a concern for hundreds of years.

I know China is likely making great inroads with making trade deals with our allies and I'm sure most of our allies are working hard to lessen any dependence on the US.

While a dummy like trump will say that's great America First it will be absolutely deveststing to us foreign policy and trade.