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09-06-2017 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
In case you missed it, this is literally exactly what they did with DACA. Like exactly.
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL bundy is going to talk himself into inventing DACA
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09-06-2017 , 01:34 AM
Like I said yesterday, Bundy literally knows nothing on any topic and gets corrected instantly at a 100% rate. It's almost impressive.
09-06-2017 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Same way they do now.
Where is this wondrous country with open borders that offers universal healthcare and a UBI? I'd like to move there.

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You are assuming that immigrants sit around all day and collect benefits. They do the opposite.
I don't.
09-06-2017 , 01:46 AM
Alaskans kind of have a UBI with their Permanent Fund Dividend...its cold though and not much money so bring a jacket.
09-06-2017 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Alaskans kind of have a UBI with their Permanent Fund Dividend...its cold though and not much money so bring a jacket.
You could live in a van in Juneau. It's not *that* cold.
09-06-2017 , 02:16 AM
Me i could (bet i get more snow then Juneau) but i dont think Louis Cyphre is the van type. A thousand a year would be hard though. Id have to hunt and gather.
09-06-2017 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Me i could (bet i get more snow then Juneau) but i dont think Louis Cyphre is the van type. A thousand a year would be hard though. Id have to hunt and gather.
Last year was a little weak, but the 5 year average is $1351. You have to be sure to squirrel some away on the good years.

The fishing must be really good. Add in a little dumpster diving and you're fed.
09-06-2017 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Aluminum is a weird metal to randomly drop in. Guess somebody said something about Alcoa to him today.
Trump smokes his crystal meth from aluminum foil so he is most familiar with that one.

He is not quite as familiar with aluminum used in construction and industrial design.
09-06-2017 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I get that people here have this general idea about him but I find it hard to believe. Not because I think he is especially smart or knowledgeable (remember that I was the one who suggested that he wants his family around mainly to explain stuff to him that he should know.) Rather it is simply that the evidence doesn't seem to support this sort of extreme conclusion.
The evidence doesn’t support he is dumb? I think it is very strong actually. I think he has an extremely difficult time reading most of the things he might come across his desk in his business and as president. It is why he prefers videos and simplistic graphs to present information for him to digest.

If I had to guess I would suspect the last ten presidents spent more than 50 percent of a typical work day reading. What percentage of Trump’s typical work day is likely spent reading? If it approached ten percent I would be shocked.

I am curious as to what behaviors and mannerisms you have seen from Donald J. Trump over the last three decades that indicates he is reasonably intellectual.
09-06-2017 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
What do you think the right course of action is?
I won’t pretend to have a right course of action or a foolproof plan. However I am fairly confident that without China essentially cutting North Korea off we are going to eventually get to a point where north Korea actually kills thousands or tens of thousands of people.

At that point we will run around trying to come up with a response which will undoubedtly be messy and still allow for North Korea to attack again killing even more people. I don’t think there is a magic solution that leads to zero loss of lives. More tariffs are not going to accomplish anything but to kill off North Korea citizens who will be denied the supplies to live. The ruling class have total control of all goods entering the country and keep what they want.

My best case scenario, which entirely may be a path we are in, is to exhaust every possible military plan and scenario to find the one that risks the fewest non North Koreans. Even the best laid plans are going to be costly but we should have all of this worked out and take action the next time the country takes an action of naked aggression.

I simply don’t subscribe to the idea we should wait out certifiable madmen who continually threaten war and just cross our fingers nothing happens. Something will happen and a lot of people will die and we will respond and a lot more people will die and they will respond again and more people will die. I suggest we work towards cutting off that first step in an attempt to limit the overall damage.

If it were no longer illegal I think KJU would probably be a prime candidate for assassination. Not really worried about the trope of potentially ending up with someone worse.

It is certainly an extremely messy situation with no easy outs or answers. However I feel pretty confidently that just laying back and enjoying it is not going to go well. I don’t know if it’s just because the last thirty years have lulled us into fighting and war only being possible if it’s extremly one sided.

The best case scenario for all involved is for China to put a huge squeeze on north Korea but it is not like China is going to do this as a good will gesture. It would entirely depend on China getting a lot out of it from places like Japan South Korea, and the US. Even then China can’t guarantee North Korea doesn’t do something crazy. I have stated it previously and will reiterate it again. If North Korea feels the need to lob missles over a country like Japan I believe it is imperative we take strong action. It doesn’t help that we are saddled with perhaps our weakest foreign affairs president in our history and a nearly empty state department.

I know what won’t work. More Sanctions and more embargoes. Even if China started taking them seriously. The last eight months has given us a glimpse into the mind of an unhinged lunatic as a leader of a country. My biggest takeaway is nothing should be considered off the table or unlikely. So that is how I view KJU now. I think some might mistake my position as some kind of rabid Warhawk, and that is not it at all. I am just thoroughly convinced if we wait for them to attack first then retaliate etc that a lot more people will end up dying and suffering.
09-06-2017 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
The evidence doesn’t support he is dumb? I think it is very strong actually. I think he has an extremely difficult time reading most of the things he might come across his desk in his business and as president. It is why he prefers videos and simplistic graphs to present information for him to digest.

If I had to guess I would suspect the last ten presidents spent more than 50 percent of a typical work day reading. What percentage of Trump’s typical work day is likely spent reading? If it approached ten percent I would be shocked.

I am curious as to what behaviors and mannerisms you have seen from Donald J. Trump over the last three decades that indicates he is reasonably intellectual.
lol 10%, I would be pretty surprised if it was over 1%. 1% over a working day is 5 full minutes reading. Imagine Trump sitting and reading, without interruption, for a full 60 seconds. Now imagine him doing that 5 times over the course of a typical day. There's no way. (I'm not including teleprompter and text on TV here, obviously).

This is what I was talking about here though:

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I will concede, it's still a bit tricky to tell where the boundary is between Trump's stupidity on the one hand and his utter disinterest in anything intellectual on the other.
While I do think Trump is stupid, I think the reason for him wanting videos and graphs and such is less stupidity and more a disdain for detail and complexity. I think Trump loves the smell of his own farts so much that he thinks he can tackle any issue based on a few bullet points. Like all fascism enthusiasts, he is obsessed with WILL, DECISIVENESS and ACTION. Careful analysis and detailed knowledge of a subject are for wimps who can't fix problems with sheer force of will, as Trump the narcissist believes he can.
09-06-2017 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
The entire "problem" of millions of undocumented immigrants in the US could be solved in 30 seconds. Give them all amnesty. Nothing would change in the daily lives of anyone (except for immigrant families no longer living in fear of deportation, and employers no longer having to break the law in order to run their business). Racists could go right on hating brown people as usual.

Republicans are addicted to spending time and money solving non-existent problems.
Aren’t they really just wasting time and money pandering to their voting base? It has become obvious all any republican (and quite a few democrats) wants to do is get re-elected. Governoring is not on their list of activities ar all. Stirring up mud on browns who might or might not be hear illegally plays into their only motivation as Congress people.
09-06-2017 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Would be nice if he just skipped to the law is the law part and turned over the runaway slave.
09-06-2017 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
lol 10%, I would be pretty surprised if it was over 1%. 1% over a working day is 5 full minutes reading. Imagine Trump sitting and reading, without interruption, for a full 60 seconds. Now imagine him doing that 5 times over the course of a typical day. There's no way. (I'm not including teleprompter and text on TV here, obviously).

This is what I was talking about here though:



While I do think Trump is stupid, I think the reason for him wanting videos and graphs and such is less stupidity and more a disdain for detail and complexity. I think Trump loves the smell of his own farts so much that he thinks he can tackle any issue based on a few bullet points. Like all fascism enthusiasts, he is obsessed with WILL, DECISIVENESS and ACTION. Careful analysis and detailed knowledge of a subject are for wimps who can't fix problems with sheer force of will, as Trump the narcissist believes he can.
The second paragraph is very important. Trump won't listen to advisors on topics and can't be swayed once his mind is made up, but will believe a random print out of a brietbart story left on his desk and go on a tweet storm about it. He believes everything he reads, but seeks out nothing but praise (obviously his addiction to cable news leads to a lot of not so pleasant stories about him as well).

I genuinely don't know if I know anybody less intelligent than Trump and I am including a few people with learning disabilities in there.
09-06-2017 , 05:03 AM
There are 2 immutable facts for the bundys of this world.

1. They hate immigrants.
2. They're not racist.

These are essentially the speed of light, everything else has to bend and distort to maintain them both as constants.
09-06-2017 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Depends. Is there a net benefit of them staying (do they contribute or are they a burden on the taxpayer)?
Just to be clear, the answer to this question, for DACA people, is that it doesn't matter whether they are a burden. The USA is the only home they've ever known, they are or should be citizens as far as I'm concerned.
09-06-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Like I said yesterday, Bundy literally knows nothing on any topic and gets corrected instantly at a 100% rate. It's almost impressive.
****ing bogans
09-06-2017 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Just to be clear, the answer to this question, for DACA people, is that it doesn't matter whether they are a burden. The USA is the only home they've ever known, they are or should be citizens as far as I'm concerned.
Absolutely. This isn't about economics it's about values.

Bound to be a few who are a burden but they shouldn't be deported or treated badly anymore than the rest should.
09-06-2017 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Just to be clear, the answer to this question, for DACA people, is that it doesn't matter whether they are a burden. The USA is the only home they've ever known, they are or should be citizens as far as I'm concerned.
Wouldn't it be best if Congress passed a law that actually made them US citizens in lieu of an EO authorizing DACA?
09-06-2017 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Wouldn't it be best if Congress passed a law that actually made them US citizens in lieu of an EO authorizing DACA?
I mean if we're wishing for impossible things we should set pur sights a bit higher. Do you honestly think any of the racist ****s who make up 90% of the gop want that to happen?
09-06-2017 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
More people like her than Trump
You know this how? Only 55-56% of the population cared enough to vote in 2016.
09-06-2017 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Wouldn't it be best if Congress passed a law that actually made them US citizens in lieu of an EO authorizing DACA?
Why are you asking me this question? I have stated that I prefer that we grant these people full citizenship. You are the one who should answer the question. You support the despicable *******s that prevent that from happening.

And after you answer the question as to whether you think these people should be granted citizenship, ask yourself whether you think DACA is a good program and why it should not be continued until Congress acts.
09-06-2017 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
You know this how? Only 55-56% of the population cared enough to vote in 2016.
Oh, this guy's a real thinker.
09-06-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I understood it to be people from certain Muslim majority countries that couldn't be properly vetted.
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Originally Posted by prana
lol - I knew that was coming and edited out the "all" Muslims just to avoid the semantikes. predictable.
My favorite part was Muslim Ban Vol 1 when he excluded those being religiously persecuted so Christians could enter the country despite the ban.
09-06-2017 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I'm from a farm town in Ohio.

      
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