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09-05-2017 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by UFO1947
This might hurt Trump's Hispanic vote.
Not when it can be justified like this:



https://twitter.com/OrneryYG/status/904719294704975872



https://twitter.com/OrneryYG/status/904724181861801984
09-05-2017 , 05:33 PM
Obama did not have the support of congress to change the law so he just decided that his DOJ would not enforce the laws on the books.

If Obama can run things by presidential decree so can Trump and we all know that.

If you want Obama's preferred way of doing things to continue, then do it through congress.

Obama should have followed the law or worked with congress to change the law. Trump is doing what Obama should have done.
09-05-2017 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Obama did not have the support of congress to change the law so he just decided that his DOJ would not enforce the laws on the books.

If Obama can run things by presidential decree so can Trump and we all know that.

If you want Obama's preferred way of doing things to continue, then do it through congress.

Obama should have followed the law or worked with congress to change the law. Trump is doing what Obama should have done.
Left wing EOs baaaaaaaaad!!!!!

Right wing EOs gooooooooooood!!!!!!

Got it.
09-05-2017 , 05:55 PM
Trump should review every EO Obama issued, just as Obama must have reviewed every EO GWB issued.
09-05-2017 , 06:01 PM
LOL another example of them repeating to literally just explaining how the world is as if that's an argument.

poco, you think a liberal needs anything explained? From you? You can't even format your posts like a native English speaker!

And I don't think you're a Russian troll. I think you're just deeply stupid. Daddy Trump was supposed to take away that feeling of inferiority. But he didn't. And he won't.
09-05-2017 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Ivanka's disappearing act on equal pay

You'll Never Believe Ivanka's Response To Her Father Killing This Obama Wage Gap Rule!
Following up on this: On Ivanka the grifter, and how she's simply a smarter version of her dad

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From the beginning, her stated goal was to help professional women dig deep down inside their souls and tap their inner purchasing power. She launched her jewelry line because the “concept of a self-purchasing female was lost among the traditional jewelers,” her website explains without apparent irony.
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Pseudo-feminism became crucial to selling Ivanka Trump-branded books, handbags and heels. Hey, $135 leopard-print pumps can’t be frivolous if they help the sisterhood.
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She publicly advocates paid family leave, even though she contracted out the designs of her clothing line to a firm that offered zero weeks of paid maternity leave.

She claims to champion equal pay for equal work. At last year’s Republican convention, for example, she spoke of the need to close the gender pay gap — perhaps in part so her fans would have the cash necessary to shop her convention look (which she immediately urged them to do, via Twitter).

And on Equal Pay Day this year, she posted on Instagram that “it is the responsibility of all Americans to come together in pursuit of equal pay.”

Last week, however, she publicly endorsed a White House decision to trample a modest equal-pay enforcement initiative.
09-05-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Trump should review every EO Obama issued, just as Obama must have reviewed every EO GWB issued.
The tiny hands fat orange nazi is on pace to more than triple Obama in terms of EOs. He has issued 45 already. Omaha issued a total of 276 over 8 years.

The defining characteristic of the American right is lying and hypocrisy.
09-05-2017 , 06:27 PM
and racism. and pissing off liberals. and tax cuts for wealthy people. but yea that's it
09-05-2017 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL another example of them repeating to literally just explaining how the world is as if that's an argument.

poco, you think a liberal needs anything explained? From you? You can't even format your posts like a native English speaker!

And I don't think you're a Russian troll. I think you're just deeply stupid. Daddy Trump was supposed to take away that feeling of inferiority. But he didn't. And he won't.
David Sklansky is once again right, this time on your usage of the word stupid. Obviously you do need simple things explained to you, multiple times, David's plain explanation didn't work the first time.

I find that sad and discouraging.
09-05-2017 , 06:52 PM
David Sklansky made the case for indentured servitude in the 21st century the other day....

Using Sklansky as an appeal to authority is LOL
09-05-2017 , 06:54 PM
On DACA remember that Obama said this was just a temporary program, back when he started it. It's up to congress to make it permanent if that is what we want.
09-05-2017 , 06:56 PM
sklansky predicted yesterday's that trump would make a big speech about how he wants congress to save daca kids instead he sent his racist troll out from under his bridge to make it clear it's being repealed.

DS is the nut low at understanding anything to do with politics.
09-05-2017 , 06:58 PM
I really wish Clinton would go the **** away. Who cares about her book and her excuses. Leave the public eye please.

Last edited by Clovis8; 09-05-2017 at 07:04 PM.
09-05-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
I don't know. But a court already ruled against DAPA. And since that's essentially the same thing as DACA, I would imagine its fate would be the same.
Of all the federal judicial districts in the US, the state AGs intentionally filed in the one they believed would give them the best chance, Southern District of TX. DACAs constitutionality is a pretty complex question, and many courts would hold differently.
09-05-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
On DACA remember that Obama said this was just a temporary program, back when he started it. It's up to congress to make it permanent if that is what we want.
Oh look, the racist supports Daddy Nazi. Go drink a bag of Russian piss.
09-05-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
On DACA remember that Obama said this was just a temporary program, back when he started it. It's up to congress to make it permanent if that is what we want.
Yeah, we all know. Why don't you just come out and say that you support deporting ~1 million innocent kids who did nothing of their own wrong and who just want to live and work and pay taxes here?
09-05-2017 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I really wish Clinton would go the **** away. Who cares about her book and her excuses.
She really seems to be testing the waters for a 2020 run, which is honestly just sad.
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Leave the public eye please.
Amen.
09-05-2017 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
I don't have any data to back up my opinions on this matter. And I didn't entirely follow your logic since I argued that continuing, not reversing, a program like DACA would lead to an increase in illegal immigration.

But you effectively made my point. People facing starvation will continue to try and enter the US illegally. Beginning a program that allows people illegally entering the United States to be allowed to stay here and gain status would almost certainly increase that number, as it changes the equation.

So a person whose life is crappy but not horrific may decide to roll the dice and head to the US, since there would be a path to staying there permanently.

Ultimately, though, the US is approaching the issue of immigration from a completely wrong perspective. Most illegal immigrants are coming from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. The US should be focused on strengthening the economies of those countries by providing assistance to eliminate the problems that I call the "triangle of shame" - namely corruption, tax evasion and drug trafficking. All of these problems could be effectively addressed through greater transparency in banking systems and more attention paid to strengthening institutions, such as creating regional corruption courts to prevent them from being corrupted on the national level.

If you address the source of illegal immigration, it permanently solves the problem, and doing so would be much cheaper and easier than building walls and deporting innocent people.
Nobody gives a **** what you call your triangles.

You've formed hard opinions on data you haven't examined. You should reflect privately on that a bit.
09-05-2017 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
David Sklansky is once again right, this time on your usage of the word stupid. Obviously you do need simple things explained to you, multiple times, David's plain explanation didn't work the first time.

I find that sad and discouraging.
It sad that smart people can read trumps words and think he's intelligent enough for the job.
09-05-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Sorry to burst your bubble but the NK situation isn't a result of 'lefty' policy, it's 100% the fault of the right wing and the war hawk neocons from the Bush era.

First they went out on the international stage proclaiming that Iran, Iraq and North Korea were a part of an 'Axis of Evil' that needed to be stopped by overwhelming force from the western nations, which by the way wasn't, you know, true.

AND THEN when that didn't work and the UN didn't support military action in Iraq they went ahead and did it anyways, toppling the Iraqi government and eventually causing the arrest and execution of Saddam Hussein (and as a fun bonus, also lead to the creation of ISIS, but that's another story). And not only that but the whole thing was a lie -- Saddam wasn't actively pursuing a nuclear device at that time, he was pretty much minding his own business.
Well that should be debated for another time but he was opening himself up to an attack by not letting the UN weapon inspectors into his facilities.

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

So ask yourself, if you're the leaders of either NK or Iran, do you sit there and say to yourself, well sure the USA may have invaded Iraq on false pretenses and killed their leader, but that won't happen here. Like why on earth would anyone think that? Especially when there are war hawks going on the air literally all the time like Lindsay Graham or Newt Gingrich or whomever saying that either Iran or NK are problems that must be 'dealt with' by the US sooner rather than later. Like are you supposed to just sit there and wait for your turn to get hung too, or shot in the anus like Qaddafi? I think not.

So both NK and Iran started pushing harder to develop nukes, not as a means to lash out and attack the US, but primarily as a defensive measure to keep the USA from attacking them! Fortunately when it comes to Iran Obama was able to reach out and make a deal, essentially buying them off. If it had been Hillary who won in November we might be seeing the same thing with North Korea now, because clearly they want something, and a USA allied with all of its partners in the region is the nation best positioned to give it to them (maybe for example a peace treaty at long last, since the war back in the 1950s was resolved by a UN cease fire, not by an actual peace -- technically the US and NK are still at war).

But of course instead we have Trump, and his foreign policy seems to basically be "Hulk SMASH!" He's in over his head, has no good ideas, no capability for intelligent thought, and won't listen to anyone. Not exactly a good recipe. And all once again thanks to the right wing.
Kim Jong-Un is an insane maniac and in no way should be compared to any leaders of Iran that the international community need to deal with to keep under wraps should they feel the need to (I mean Iran's wealth itself is tied to the international community and its markets by its oil reserves. What has NK got again that we should feel we can bargain with them about?). Kim Jong-Un and his country are a different beast altogether and should be and should have been treated accordingly, especially from the time that he took over as dictator.
09-05-2017 , 07:44 PM
Mueller has the IRS on Daddy now. Only a matter of time.
09-05-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
On DACA remember that Obama said this was just a temporary program, back when he started it. It's up to congress to make it permanent if that is what we want.


"If that is what we want"

I'm an idiot for responding but what do you want?
09-05-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Yeah, we all know. Why don't you just come out and say that you support deporting ~1 million innocent kids who did nothing of their own wrong and who just want to live and work and pay taxes here?
those children should have taken responsibility in their own lives, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, and carved out a living on their own back home when their parents decided to cross into usa#1
09-05-2017 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by patron
Of course it's about racism. Undoing something Obama did is a bonus. The Wall, increased enforcement against illegal immigration, drastically reducing legal immigration, ending DACA, etc, are all motivated by racism against brown people. Even nationalism is secondary to the racism.
If someone doesn't legally have any rights to be in a country but would ordinarily would fall within the class of a minority if they did, how is any decision by a lawmaker to deal with them in a way inconsistent with the way an ordinary member of a minority class would be treated considered to be racist?
09-05-2017 , 08:03 PM
bundy man we know you hate Mexicans

      
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