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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Sorry to burst your bubble but the NK situation isn't a result of 'lefty' policy, it's 100% the fault of the right wing and the war hawk neocons from the Bush era.
First they went out on the international stage proclaiming that Iran, Iraq and North Korea were a part of an 'Axis of Evil' that needed to be stopped by overwhelming force from the western nations, which by the way wasn't, you know, true.
AND THEN when that didn't work and the UN didn't support military action in Iraq they went ahead and did it anyways, toppling the Iraqi government and eventually causing the arrest and execution of Saddam Hussein (and as a fun bonus, also lead to the creation of ISIS, but that's another story). And not only that but the whole thing was a lie -- Saddam wasn't actively pursuing a nuclear device at that time, he was pretty much minding his own business.
Well that should be debated for another time but he was opening himself up to an attack by not letting the UN weapon inspectors into his facilities.
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
So ask yourself, if you're the leaders of either NK or Iran, do you sit there and say to yourself, well sure the USA may have invaded Iraq on false pretenses and killed their leader, but that won't happen here. Like why on earth would anyone think that? Especially when there are war hawks going on the air literally all the time like Lindsay Graham or Newt Gingrich or whomever saying that either Iran or NK are problems that must be 'dealt with' by the US sooner rather than later. Like are you supposed to just sit there and wait for your turn to get hung too, or shot in the anus like Qaddafi? I think not.
So both NK and Iran started pushing harder to develop nukes, not as a means to lash out and attack the US, but primarily as a defensive measure to keep the USA from attacking them! Fortunately when it comes to Iran Obama was able to reach out and make a deal, essentially buying them off. If it had been Hillary who won in November we might be seeing the same thing with North Korea now, because clearly they want something, and a USA allied with all of its partners in the region is the nation best positioned to give it to them (maybe for example a peace treaty at long last, since the war back in the 1950s was resolved by a UN cease fire, not by an actual peace -- technically the US and NK are still at war).
But of course instead we have Trump, and his foreign policy seems to basically be "Hulk SMASH!" He's in over his head, has no good ideas, no capability for intelligent thought, and won't listen to anyone. Not exactly a good recipe. And all once again thanks to the right wing.
Kim Jong-Un is an insane maniac and in no way should be compared to any leaders of Iran that the international community need to deal with to keep under wraps should they feel the need to (I mean Iran's wealth itself is tied to the international community and its markets by its oil reserves. What has NK got again that we should feel we can bargain with them about?). Kim Jong-Un and his country are a different beast altogether and should be and should have been treated accordingly, especially from the time that he took over as dictator.