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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-04-2017 , 02:24 PM
He just tweeted: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

a few hours ago to end his twitter tirade for now.

Whether or not he is complying for now he is pissed about his Muslim ban being overturned. His idea of making America great again is literally banning Muslims and building a wall to keep out the Mexicans.
02-04-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Despite being to the left on most social issues, including that abortion should be legal for ANY reason even if its just "meh, I am not feeling like having a kid," I do think its pretty clear that custody and child support issues dramatically favor women in a wide majority of cases where the decision is left to the courts/state.

The best example of this is that custody is overwhelmingly awarded to women in instances where both parents are fully capable of raising the child in a healthy and nurturing environment.

Once a woman gets pregnant it is practically impossible for a male to get custody from a woman unless the woman doesn't want custody unless there is gross negligence or serious criminal activity that is also provable in court.

And it is a fact that abortion is a decision that only takes one person to make even in cases where the sex was consensual and the parties are split on what to do. I don't believe it is humane or moral to make a woman have the baby if she doesn't want to. However, I do also think that if the woman has the baby and the couple is not together that the man should have custody and receive child support if he is in a better position to provide for it and wants to raise the child.
It's pretty telling that posters ITT have plenty of time to engage trolls like Sushy and np all day long but this argument gets nothing besides "lol mens rights" and "if you don't like it don't get her pregnant."
02-04-2017 , 02:29 PM
At what point can Trump be held in contempt of court?

I'm assuming that the fact that he does all of his bitching one Twitter as opposed to in the courtroom is what's saving his ass?
02-04-2017 , 02:32 PM
Abortion/MRA **** needs its own thread imo
02-04-2017 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
It's pretty telling that posters ITT have plenty of time to engage trolls like Sushy and np all day long but this argument gets nothing besides "lol mens rights" and "if you don't like it don't get her pregnant."
this is the sound of irony sailing over your head
02-04-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
They have no capacity for empathy. It's practically impossible to get a conservative to imagine been for a moment that they could ever experience anything other than their own set of circumstances.

That's why you see so many changes of hearts from conservatives after they experience something traumatic or difficult: they realize liberals have been right all along and they, the conservative, have been blinded by ideology.
So ironic because empathy is the one thing that the left have point blank refused to have for Brexit and Trump voters.

No, you can't possibly vote for these things for any other reason than because you are racist, or have been brainwashed, etc

Look in a mirror some time.
02-04-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
It's pretty telling that posters ITT have plenty of time to engage trolls like Sushy and np all day long but this argument gets nothing besides "lol mens rights" and "if you don't like it don't get her pregnant."
really not appropriate itt. i just scrolled past all of it.
02-04-2017 , 02:39 PM
Scene at Logan. America, **** Yeah

02-04-2017 , 02:40 PM
LordJvK

Guy with fascist avatar supporting fascists. Go figure.
02-04-2017 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
It's pretty telling that posters ITT have plenty of time to engage trolls like Sushy and np all day long but this argument gets nothing besides "lol mens rights" and "if you don't like it don't get her pregnant."
It's not really an argument, more of a raised-by-wolves expression of shock that women do more childcare in modern American society. Who knew!
02-04-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Most people want to be led. They say otherwise, and they always bitch about the leaders, but their actions reveal a deep human desire to have somebody else be in charge. The illusion of freedom is desired. Actual freedom is terrifying.
Sounds like Brooks from the Shawshank Redemption.

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Originally Posted by Riverman
In other news, Chiefsplanet really believes that the protests were all funded by George Soros.

How does this nonsense work in their heads? Like, the ban came out and there were protests at airports within hours. How exactly did ol' George pay hundreds of thousands of people that quickly? How was the money distributed? Does he have a few hundred thousand people on call in every major city?

Like for a really long time I thought these people weren't necessarily stupid, just blinded by nativist rage and major group think. Trump is really highlighting that yes, these people are just incredibly ****ing stupid.
How does everyone who hates the protesters know who George Soros is?

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Originally Posted by LordJvK
In the first instance I think you have to pipe down, accept he won, re-group, think about what went wrong, think about how to beat him in four years.


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Originally Posted by LordJvK
This is ridiculous hyperbole. Trump isn't Hitler in 1939 and he hasn't just invaded Poland.

Are you sure you aren't exageratting what has happened? Are you sure you have the analysis absolutely spot on here that you are dealing with the coming of the Anti-Christ?

How about calm down for five minutes? The more you get angry, the more you empower him.
Well that's a frustrating sentiment. Sounds like a win-win for Trump.

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Originally Posted by LordJvK
If I was Trump right now, I would want there to be a terrorist attack.

To the point where I even wonder if Bannon and co wouldn't secretly set one up.

The potential up-side is enormous for them.
And we should pipe down...lol

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
so maybe the man shouldn't impregnate women who are unwilling to carry and conceive his child, if he doesn't want to catch a sad about the woman aborting it
lol deniro with his abortion of an abortion derail.

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Originally Posted by microbet
In the passage before that exerpt he talks about previous dictatorships:



Hitler was an ideologue. Trump isn't. Bannon's ideology? Nihilism? (not even an ethos) Power for its own sake?
But it is exhausting.

Last edited by Oroku$aki; 02-04-2017 at 02:50 PM.
02-04-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
LordJvK

Guy with fascist avatar supporting fascists. Go figure.
I do not support fascists, I just want people to stay level headed.

It's becoming virtually impossible to stay independently minded in these very partisan times. Look how people have tried to label and codify me in this thread simply because I'm not following their line.

I can say that I think Trump is very dangerous AND that I don't agree with everything his opponents are doing at the same time.

This is a view I hold, because I think for myself and don't follow the crowd. Apparently you aren't allowed to do that any more or you get called names.

And if you want to know the avatar came from mocking someone who accused me of being a facist because I think capitalism is a good idea.

I can change it. Can you open up you mind to entertain competing narratives though? Seems not.
02-04-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Eagle
Scene at Logan. America, **** Yeah

We need the report of what's happening at SLC IAH or DFW because I guarantee you the reaction isn't the same there.
02-04-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
We need the report of what's happening at SLC IAH or DFW because I guarantee you the reaction isn't the same there.
SLC? How much international traffic is really coming through there?
02-04-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
At least for now it seems like Trump is going to follow the court order despite disagreeing with it and they plan to oppose it through the proper channels. I guess that's something.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...204-story.html
Seriously... did you guys actually think he was going to defy a legit court order? Old Mad Dog would have yanked him out of the Oval Office by the scrotum if he thinks he needs to.
02-04-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
SLC? How much international traffic is really coming through there?
Delta has plenty of flights from Europe into there
02-04-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
Seriously... did you guys actually think he was going to defy a legit court order? Old Mad Dog would have yanked him out of the Oval Office by the scrotum if he thinks he needs to.
There was reporting that the White House did exactly that last week.
02-04-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
There was reporting that the White House did exactly that last week.
Yanked Trump by the scrotum?
02-04-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
Delta has plenty of flights from Europe into there
I'm not saying its zero but without looking it up, I think we can safely say that the international traffic at SLC is nothing like Logan, JFK, LAX, Dulles, etc. You're comparing apples and oranges.

It's really hard to find a city with an airport with a lot of international traffic that leans red. DFW, which you listed, is the best example I can come up with off the top of my head. And even Dallas county probably went for Clinton.
02-04-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I do not support fascists, I just want people to stay level headed.

It's becoming virtually impossible to stay independently minded in these very partisan times. Look how people have tried to label and codify me in this thread simply because I'm not following their line.

I can say that I think Trump is very dangerous AND that I don't agree with everything his opponents are doing at the same time.

This is a view I hold, because I think for myself and don't follow the crowd. Apparently you aren't allowed to do that any more or you get called names.

And if you want to know the avatar came from mocking someone who accused me of being a facist because I think capitalism is a good idea.

I can change it. Can you open up you mind to entertain competing narratives though? Seems not.
it's increasingly impossible to be "independent-minded" because one party is so clearly extreme and destructive, that not aligning with the opposition basically makes you a scumbag.

your narrative is so **** tho, it simply doesn't compete because it sucks so bad. "hey guys, don't do anything about these fascists who are actively working at this very moment to dismantle the government and the rights of citizens, resisting will just play right into their hands!" yea ok bro
02-04-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
There's already a draft executive order that would do that...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtm...-to-go-hungry/
Slimy bunch of mother****ers. That can't possibly be legal.
02-04-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
So ironic because empathy is the one thing that the left have point blank refused to have for Brexit and Trump voters.

No, you can't possibly vote for these things for any other reason than because you are racist, or have been brainwashed, etc

Look in a mirror some time.
I know you're just trolling, but the empathy Dems extend to rural whites is policies that would benefit rural whites.

Trump got their votes and immediately turned on them, screwing them over in every way imaginable.

Who lacks empathy here?
02-04-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
It's pretty telling that posters ITT have plenty of time to engage trolls like Sushy and np all day long but this argument gets nothing besides "lol mens rights" and "if you don't like it don't get her pregnant."
I already offered rebuttal of CDL's proposal when the other guy put it more bluntly:

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
They're equally responsible for the fact of the pregnancy. They don't bear equal risk in bringing the pregnancy to term. The legal and changeable assymetry you're pointing to arises from that biological and immutable assymetry.
I agree there are problems with the child support systems of the West. 'Statutory abortion' or w/ever is not a solution.
02-04-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
I don't have the time to rebut point by point, but what you say here is I feel Trump might become hitlerian somehow. That isn't a very strong argument to me.

First everyone who runs for president has an oversized ego. You don't think HRC thinks she's the smartest person in the room and has all the answers. The first and second prerequisites for running for president is having an over sized ego and enormous hubris. Certainly not exclusive to Trump.

To "there's an ethnic group holding the country" back analogy falls completely on its face. Hitler blamed everything (especially the economy) on greedy subhuman Jews.

Trump never says anything about Muslims in that regard other than a sub set of them is dedicated to the violent overthrow of any system other than their own theocracy. He didn't blame them for the market crash in 2008 or anything hitlarian like that.

Now if the courts rule against his EO's on visas from certain countries, he'll have to abide.... if it doesn't, his EO's will stand. Simple stuff, really

I'm not feeling a threat to democracy here....

The very fact that he cancelled 100K visas on a whim is alone a threat to democracy.

And saying "Everyone has an ego! Hillary did it too!" is just laughably sad.

Anyways, you asked how they were similar and I gave you examples. It still wasn't enough so I think we are done here.
02-04-2017 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
SLC? How much international traffic is really coming through there?
The University of Utah has a substantial international student population. And SLC is pretty liberal, actually. That dude can't guarantee dick.

      
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