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09-04-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Ugh that's horrible. I know about Qatar and the slavery going on with the World Cup in 2022 or whatever it is.

Is there a difference between being a guest worker and having a green card in the US?
I'm no expert and I think there are people in this thread who know better. I could look this up too, but I'll just take a chance at ****ing it up. I think green card holders can work for anyone and if they quit or get fired or something they can find another job. I'm not sure how long they can be unemployed, but maybe for a long time. I think a guest worker (now the limited H2 visa I think) has to have an employer sponsor and if they fire you or if you quit you have to leave the country.

In Qatar there was a scandal around the World Cup, but it's just the standard form of labor in the rich gulf states. Something at least like slavery is very common around the world. There's some of it in the US and certainly lots of it around products that we consume.

http://graphics.latimes.com/product-of-mexico-camps/
09-04-2017 , 12:13 AM
Yea I'm embarrassed to say it but I have never heard of a "guest worker." Pisses me off actually. SMH.
09-04-2017 , 12:17 AM
GOOD. kick the dreamers deportables out and build a wall so they ****ing stay out
09-04-2017 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Han YOLO
GOOD. kick the dreamers deportables out and build a wall so they ****ing stay out
Change that to deplorables and you got it.
09-04-2017 , 12:25 AM
Went to my local pride parade today and it was like a wave of fresh air. So many people talking about love and acceptance. Like 150k people in attendance and three protestors. Made me remember that most people are good and loving, as are most countries.

In the long run people like Trump, Awval and the deplorables will lose. It is inevitable.
09-04-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
bundy,

Steve ****ing Bannon agrees with the lefties that there is no military solution to N Korea that doesn't cause millions of S Korean deaths. Your hot take is so dumb that the chairman of Brietbart thinks it's stupid.
So we just wait and hope Kim Jong-un doesn't push the button on a H-bomb to hit Japan and while we wait we just let him keep testing this bomb and his other missiles to get his launches and trajectories right. What a ****ing joke - this is like you lefties terrorism strategy with Isis attacks on the West that the goal line keeps shifting with each attack that there becomes no point that a full on military intervention should occur unless a September 11 style attack happens in the US. But in the meantime hundreds if not thousands of westerners die because you lefties are too indecisive to act!
09-04-2017 , 01:44 AM
I was working on a longer response, but whats the point. **** Trump. **** the whole right. I can't even imagine being a college student who has grown up in America, only language you speak is English, and being told you have to move back to Mexico. I can understand being so cold as forcing the parents to move back. But forcing the kid to move back is beyond me.
09-04-2017 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
I was working on a longer response, but whats the point. **** Trump. **** the whole right. I can't even imagine being a college student who has grown up in America, only language you speak is English, and being told you have to move back to Mexico. I can understand being so cold as forcing the parents to move back. But forcing the kid to move back is beyond me.
But did they legally come to America in the first place? Or are you raising the same argument as you think that blacks are being unfairly targeted by voters having to register to vote that there is too much red tape for them to follow?
09-04-2017 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
So we just wait and hope Kim Jong-un doesn't push the button on a H-bomb to hit Japan and while we wait we just let him keep testing this bomb and his other missiles to get his launches and trajectories right. What a ****ing joke - this is like you lefties terrorism strategy with Isis attacks on the West that the goal line keeps shifting with each attack that there becomes no point that a full on military intervention should occur unless a September 11 style attack happens in the US. But in the meantime hundreds if not thousands of westerners die because you lefties are too indecisive to act!
Yes, we wait, because your preferred course of action almost certainly leads to what you're trying to prevent.

Meanwhile we try to use sanctions, diplomacy and cyber warfare instead.

I don't think anyone is shifting the goalposts on ISIS. Some of us just understand the downsides of putting boots on the ground or nuking them or whatever it is that you want to see there. Which is what, exactly?

These are two of the most complex and intricate situations that we have faced in terms of foreign policy, so boiling them down to a sentence or two and going with a knee jerk reaction because you don't understand the situation is pretty bad.
09-04-2017 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
But did they legally come to America in the first place? Or are you raising the same argument as you think that blacks are being unfairly targeted by voters having to register to vote that there is too much red tape for them to follow?
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09-04-2017 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Or are you raising the same argument as you think that blacks are being unfairly targeted by voters having to register to vote that there is too much red tape for them to follow?
Christ non-Americans have no ****ing idea what they're talking about. Focus on worrying about boat people.
09-04-2017 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
you lefties are too indecisive to act!
DONALD TRUMP is too indecisive to act! He told you in January that NK wouldn't get nukes capable of hitting the US and he failed to stop them! LOL Trumpkins continuing to be the dumbest people on earth
09-04-2017 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
But did they legally come to America in the first place?
I didn't legally come to America, I was born here. I made no decisions, it was a thing that happened to me.

Dreamers are the same. They made no decisions. They were brought to USA as kids. It's the only country they know. They have committed no crimes.

If I discovered I wasn't born in USA but outside of it and I was brought here before I could remember things, that changes nothing about me. USA would still be the only country I know. To ship me to another country where I have no contacts, no connections, and can't speak the language would be pointless cruelty. That sort of cruelty is appropriate for future serial killers, not for public servants.

In this country I can be a useful, productive person. In some other country I am helpless. It's insane to deport.
09-04-2017 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Christ non-Americans have no ****ing idea what they're talking about. Focus on worrying about boat people.
I have nothing to worry about for boat people because we have stopped that and I can see that Trump is aiming for the same illegal immigration outcomes.
09-04-2017 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
But did they legally come to America in the first place? Or are you raising the same argument as you think that blacks are being unfairly targeted by voters having to register to vote that there is too much red tape for them to follow?


You racist ****
09-04-2017 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
I didn't legally come to America, I was born here. I made no decisions, it was a thing that happened to me.

Dreamers are the same. They made no decisions. They were brought to USA as kids. It's the only country they know. They have committed no crimes.

If I discovered I wasn't born in USA but outside of it and I was brought here before I could remember things, that changes nothing about me. USA would still be the only country I know. To ship me to another country where I have no contacts, no connections, and can't speak the language would be pointless cruelty. That sort of cruelty is appropriate for future serial killers, not for public servants.

In this country I can be a useful, productive person. In some other country I am helpless. It's insane to deport.
If you were born there, that's different. That gives you some rights no matter if your parents didn't cross the border having satisfied immigration laws. And it is through that parents I suppose argue that they should remain in the country to look after the child rather than deporting them and putting the child up for adoption.
09-04-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
So we just wait and hope Kim Jong-un doesn't push the button on a H-bomb to hit Japan and while we wait we just let him keep testing this bomb and his other missiles to get his launches and trajectories right. What a ****ing joke - this is like you lefties terrorism strategy with Isis attacks on the West that the goal line keeps shifting with each attack that there becomes no point that a full on military intervention should occur unless a September 11 style attack happens in the US. But in the meantime hundreds if not thousands of westerners die because you lefties are too indecisive to act!
Assuming you're not just a lame ass troll... Trump, you and others of your ilk are more of a threat than ISIL and other terrorists in Westernized countries.
09-04-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
DONALD TRUMP is too indecisive to act! He told you in January that NK wouldn't get nukes capable of hitting the US and he failed to stop them! LOL Trumpkins continuing to be the dumbest people on earth
Who do you think has been asleep at the wheel allowing NK to get to the point they have where they have nukes that are capable of being launched and hitting Japan? This hasn't just been in the works for the last 9 months I can tell you that!
09-04-2017 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Who do you think has been asleep at the wheel allowing NK to get to the point they have where they have nukes that are capable of being launched and hitting Japan? This hasn't just been in the works for the last 9 months I can tell you that!
If this is all Obama's fault and Obama made it a foregone conclusion, then Donald Trump shouldn't have said "North Korea will not get a nuke capable of hitting the US" in January. Nobody made him say that! He chose to, and failed, like an indecisive cuck! LOL bundy
09-04-2017 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Who do you think has been asleep at the wheel allowing NK to get to the point they have where they have nukes that are capable of being launched and hitting Japan? This hasn't just been in the works for the last 9 months I can tell you that!
Well, it was everyone I reckon. What did Australia do about it?

But if you want to blame an American, it was George Bush idiot. The first NK nuclear test was in 2006 shortly after NK pulled out of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
09-04-2017 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
If this is all Obama's fault and Obama made it a foregone conclusion, then Donald Trump shouldn't have said "North Korea will not get a nuke capable of hitting the US" in January. Nobody made him say that! He chose to, and failed, like an indecisive cuck! LOL bundy
Hardly critical in the context of this debate.
09-04-2017 , 02:32 AM
Speaking of NK, I was listening to an interview of a political science professor at a university in Vladivostok. They interviewed him partly because he was reporting on the nuclear test as he could feel it there. It's not far from NK. Russia and NK share a border. Anyway, he says they have a ferry that runs between the two and there are like 5000 North Koreans in Vladivostok. Most of them are construction workers, but there are also business people and students at his university.
09-04-2017 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Hardly critical in the context of this debate.
You don't know **** about anything and you like Trump because he has that in common with you.
09-04-2017 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
But did they legally come to America in the first place? Or are you raising the same argument as you think that blacks are being unfairly targeted by voters having to register to vote that there is too much red tape for them to follow?
Yeah...go ahead and reread my last two sentences of my post
09-04-2017 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Well, it was everyone I reckon. What did Australia do about it?

But if you want to blame an American, it was George Bush idiot. The first NK nuclear test was in 2006 shortly after NK pulled out of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
And the 10 years after that (well we can probably discount the final few years of his father's reign given that his penchant to take on the West wasn't quite as it was with his ailing his health) but certainly in the last 6 years with Kim Jong-Un that there needed to be more of an effort from the international community and especially the US to crack down on him with at least greater economic sanctions. The failing relationship with China certainly didn't help either.

      
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