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02-04-2017 , 12:09 PM

#5426

DeroDeniro

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

Scenario A: woman gets pregnant. Dad wants to be a parent: tough luck, woman is dragged kicking and screaming to a maternity ward to squick out a kid she wanted rid of months ago.

Need I say more?

Yeah maybe the solution is just to relive a man of having to be a parent (legally/financially) if a woman gets pregnant, since a woman can do the same. This isn't the the 1950s anymore. Women have jobs and can get an abortion if they can't pay for a kid, so why should the dad be on the hook.

Essentially a man is dragged kicking and screaming to be a parent if he doesn't want to be just because a woman chose not to have an abortion. If the counterargument to that is that the man shouldn't have had sex if he didn't want to be a parent, can't the same be said of a woman?

02-04-2017 , 12:10 PM

#5427

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so maybe the man shouldn't impregnate women who are unwilling to carry and conceive his child, if he doesn't want to catch a sad about the woman aborting it

02-04-2017 , 12:11 PM

#5428

einbert

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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

Not so fast there hombre.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...tion-by-state/

02-04-2017 , 12:13 PM

#5429

DeroDeniro

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

so maybe the man shouldn't impregnate women who are unwilling to carry and conceive his child, if he doesn't want to catch a sad about the woman aborting it

That was the argument used against women in the 1950s: if you didn't want to get pregnant, you shouldn't have had sex and got pregnant.

02-04-2017 , 12:14 PM

#5430

einbert

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http://www.salon.com/2014/05/23/the_...i_choice_laws/

02-04-2017 , 12:16 PM

#5431

Clovis8

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Oh god don't engage the men's right crowd. They are the bottom feeders even among the idiots on the far right. They make the pizzagate people look like geniuses.

02-04-2017 , 12:16 PM

#5432

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

They're equally responsible for the fact of the pregnancy. They don't bear equal risk in bringing the pregnancy to term. The legal and changeable assymetry you're pointing to arises from that biological and immutable assymetry.

02-04-2017 , 12:19 PM

#5433

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meh, this probably isn't the thread to argue the abortion issue.

Last edited by Max Cut; 02-04-2017 at 12:26 PM.

02-04-2017 , 12:19 PM

#5434

suzzer99

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Or as FoxNews puts it:

Oh well that's not so bad.

02-04-2017 , 12:20 PM

#5435

DeroDeniro

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

So you're saying a man should be forced to be a parent and be financially on the hook but that a woman shouldn't be forced, right?

02-04-2017 , 12:20 PM

#5436

suzzer99

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Originally Posted by jwax13

I'm 30 years old; never struggled with anxiety, but it's been overwhelming me these last two weeks. I wake up every morning (after 4-5 hours of sleep) wondering if Trump has started WW3 yet. Anyone else having adult onset crippling anxiety due to this administration?

Yes I am. More like crippling dread though.

02-04-2017 , 12:20 PM

#5437

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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC

glasses houses and stones and such

"Here's the reality on the ground. Trump won the 2016 election on the square."

This is an inflammatory descriptor in your opinion??? Honestly???

So your team losing an election is a de facto "inflammatory" event which justifies stifling of 1st Amendment rights and damage to property and violence?

I learn something new here every single day....

02-04-2017 , 12:20 PM

#5438

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Can someone cliffs this thing? Do I have this right?

Federal judge appointed by W and approved 99-0 issues a nationwide stay
At some point Trump revokes 100k existing visas for no reason
Trump calls the judge a "so called" judge and demands defiance
State department says **** you and reinstates visas

???

02-04-2017 , 12:23 PM

#5439

DeroDeniro

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

DeroDeniro, please study this. Then, after the logic allergy reactions run their course, study it again.

I assume you the see the fallacy of the logic in that argument. Hopefully I don't need to point it out to you.

02-04-2017 , 12:24 PM

#5440

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Dictator 101

02-04-2017 , 12:25 PM

#5441

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

I assume you the see the fallacy of the logic in that argument. Hopefully I don't need to point it out to you.

If we all concede white men are the most aggrieved social class on earth right now will you promise to go away forever?

02-04-2017 , 12:26 PM

#5442

Trolly McTrollson

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Damage Report 2/4/17:

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Yes. Also, the president of the United States literally doesn't know how quotations marks work.

02-04-2017 , 12:27 PM

#5443

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

In other news, Chiefsplanet really believes that the protests were all funded by George Soros.

How does this nonsense work in their heads? Like, the ban came out and there were protests at airports within hours. How exactly did ol' George pay hundreds of thousands of people that quickly? How was the money distributed? Does he have a few hundred thousand people on call in every major city?

Like for a really long time I thought these people weren't necessarily stupid, just blinded by nativist rage and major group think. Trump is really highlighting that yes, these people are just incredibly ****ing stupid.

Prove that Soros isn't funding the protests. Boom headshot.

02-04-2017 , 12:28 PM

#5444

DeroDeniro

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From the ultra-right wing men's rights magazine known as Salon:

Make fatherhood a man’s choice!

02-04-2017 , 12:28 PM

#5445

np1235711

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Eco on the early days of fascism under Mussolini:

Sounds strikingly familiar. What comes next is worse though.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Very nice history lesson, but where are the illegal jailings and the unconstitutional acts in defiance of the legal system?

02-04-2017 , 12:30 PM

#5446

jalfrezi

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German news magazine Der Spiegel has a controversial cover this week.

02-04-2017 , 12:31 PM

#5447

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

So you're saying a man should be forced to be a parent and be financially on the hook but that a woman shouldn't be forced, right?

Yup.

02-04-2017 , 12:31 PM

#5448

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordJvK

Yes.

And every time people do things like stop a Milo speaking at a university, or protest to the point where electoral promises are being overturned by judges ...

You vindicate Trump by making what he says correct -- literally putting him in the right, when he should be in the wrong.

I'm afriad by the time people on the left in general actually realise this -- that they have planned directly into the hands of Bannon's master strategy -- it will be too late.

It's what happens when people are partisan to the point where they are no longer really thinking about what they are doing or saying. Hence, widespread articles spinning their wheels about why it is ethically right to punch Nazis in the street or to stop someone from the alt right speaking at a university.

If you behave in a way that is no better than facists, and literally make them the victims, how do you ever expect to beat them?

You have to be smarter than that. I fear that no one can be or will be.

JFC with this bull****. Berkley is the most liberal campus on earth. Of course they're going to over-react. And of course FoxNews is going to massively over cover it. But at least let's knock of this insidious sniping from the left like a few campus radicals are endorsed by or have anything to do with the broader movement against Trump. That's as bad as the people who want to hold 1B+ Muslims to task for the actions of a death cult.

02-04-2017 , 12:32 PM

#5449

th14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeroDeniro

So you're saying a man should be forced to be a parent and be financially on the hook but that a woman shouldn't be forced, right?

Women can choose to have an abortion because it's their body.

If a baby comes out both parents are responsible.

02-04-2017 , 12:34 PM

#5450

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordJvK

So, is your thesis that if liberals just sat quiet and let Trump do whatever he wants, then he wouldn't do whatever he wants in the face of a terrorist attack?

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