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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I disagree with this. I think people will say if the President (and Republican Congressmen) want it then they should reach some kind of agreement so a stubborn 'no' will put the blame on the Democrats in the same way Republicans got skewered in the short term by holding up the debt ceiling for no reason. Of course, the Democratic starting point should be no wall and the try and get as much as they can for as little wall spending as possible. I guess we'll see.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59...b0a296083babf0
This is a golden opportunity for Democrats. They should have had these two votes circled on their calendar since the day after the election.
I don't think the wall is worth
actually going to the mattresses over, especially considering that plenty of Republicans in the Senate don't want it anyway, and thus it's likely to be barely funded so that Trump can claim a win and save some face on the issue. To me, the wall is a colossal waste of money, screws over some people living near the border, and is a little offensive... But in the realm of Trump's offensive ****, it's nothing. In the realm of how much money we spend, whatever gets thrown in this bill is nothing. In the realm of people being screwed over, those living near the border are nothing - and most of the wall will be in states that went for Trump, anyway.
That said, this is a glorious opportunity for Democrats in Congress, as Congressional Republicans will be stuck dealing with both Democrats, their own flanks, and Trump to pass both a budget and the debt ceiling, with the wall attached to one or the other. Democrats can get a win here by either getting spending they want included (Obamacare subsidies are an obvious option), making Republicans look horrible, or both. If they're competent, they'll get some variation of both.
On the debt ceiling, there will be Republicans in Congress who will grandstand about only voting yes if certain spending is excluded (like Planned Parenthood type stuff, whatever the religious right's cause du jour is next month), about only increasing the debt ceiling if the budget is balanced, those that will view voting yes as a concession in and of itself and demand something in return from the left (or simply want to default), and I'm sure a couple will somehow otherwise manage to shove their heads up their asses on the issue as per typical GOP debt ceiling standard operating procedures.
Imagine if Democrats promised to vote yay unanimously in exchange for Obamacare subsidies and wildly popular ideas the GOP elites loath like a $2/hr increase in federal minimum wage (to $9.25), or a promised series of clean up-and-down votes in
both chambers on better background checks, blocking mentally ill people from buying guns, blocking people on terror watch lists from buying guns, etc. (Democrats would likely lose, but Republicans would own their votes).
They also should be trolling Trump at every opportunity over Mexico not paying for the wall... This has major GOP/Trump implosion potential. There are even scenarios where a proposal hits the floor for a vote with broad Democrat support and still can't pass, or where the final bill has more D votes than R votes despite Republicans controlling everything.
I think Democrats should actually announce their willingness to fund the wall if something that Trump won't care about, but the GOP in Congress will, is attached to the wall. Pick something Trump has been flip-flopping on historically (abortion/Planned Parenthood, strengthening Social Security or Medicare) and say you'll fund the wall if that spending goes in, too. If Trump values a bipartisan wall > the issue you choose, you thrust the GOP into a massive internal crisis where Trump is lambasting his own party. If not, you can say you'll pass it without the wall or with that, it's up to the GOP and Trump who control everything... Either way, they're in a bad spot.
Some numbers that should guide Democrats strategy on this... As of 2010, only 26% of Americans knew that a filibuster required 60 votes in the Senate to break it according to Pew polling. Who's willing to bet that a lot of that 26% is on the left?
In theory, that number should be higher now after the politics of the last few years... But I'd guess that among Republicans it's still <25% and among independents it's probably <35%... Meanwhile, most non-deplorable Americans probably know that Republicans have the House, Senate and White House.
I think the GOP gets the overwhelming majority of the blame on this, and the majority of the blame that matters, too (like, the opinions of deplorables don't matter, their votes are locked in).
Democrats should know all too well that being perceived to be in control, without having a filibuster-proof majority, is a major headache on the debt ceiling and government shutdowns. The GOP has exerted maximum pressure in these situations for eight years. It's Democrats' turn. They better play chess, not checkers.