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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-04-2017 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
Its ultimately going to take one of these idiots having someone in their family killed by a terrorist from one of these countries who they let in to wake up and finally come to their senses.
BMOL,

Do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

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. Its ultimately going to take one of these idiots having someone in their family killed by a gun to wake up and finally come to their senses and enact nationwide gun control.
If not, why not?

Regards,

Jman220
02-04-2017 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise


This is fine.
Lol at his continued bad grammar. Is he implying that maybe he isn't really a judge and is just pretending?
02-04-2017 , 09:42 AM
As the client though, you can say things like this:

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The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67311054974976
02-04-2017 , 09:55 AM
Trump's continued disrespect for the judiciary is so offensive. I think he's especially upset about the fact that the "so-called judge" in this case is a GWB appointee. He thinks judges and justices are supposed to be political pawns. Sad!
02-04-2017 , 09:57 AM
Yeah all this, along with his dismissing of the judge for supposedly being Mexican is pretty troubling imo.
02-04-2017 , 10:01 AM
Populist Trump

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It was almost exactly a year ago that Trump, campaigning in New Hampshire, said it was crazy that the federal government, effectively the world’s largest buyer of prescription drugs, was not allowed to negotiate directly with the drug companies....

At a news conference the week before his inauguration, Trump doubled down on his promise to reduce prices, declaring that drug companies were “getting away with murder.”And on Tuesday, he summoned drug company chief executives to the White House to do to them what he had done to carmakers and aerospace executives, shaming them into creating jobs and lowering prices.

“We have to get prices down,” he told the drugmakers. “We have no choice.”
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An hour later, however, the negotiator-in-chief emerged to say it was all a misunderstanding. Reading almost verbatim from the industry’s talking points, he vowed to “oppose anything that makes it harder for smaller, younger companies to take the risk of bringing their product to a vibrantly competitive market.” He would have nothing to do with anything so odious as “price fixing” by Medicare.

Asked about the apparent 180-degree turnaround later in the day, press secretary Sean Spicer conjured up the industry’s newest and most absurd talking point, explaining that it was not the job-creating drug companies but rather government bureaucrats and regulators who were preventing the government from getting the best deal for taxpayers.

The whole incident provided the latest reminder of Trump’s troubling tendency to agree with the last person he spoke with, in no small part because he understands so little about the issues about which he so confidently opines. Indeed, the whole drug price drama was a flimflam right from the start.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.93dd646aa1c3
02-04-2017 , 10:04 AM

02-04-2017 , 10:06 AM
Parts of our media really really do suck. If this guy were an athlete his career would be literally over and every sports fan would be in agreement on the piece of **** this guy is. Get it together writers. It really shouldn't be that hard to ruin this man, what are they scared of?
02-04-2017 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Yes.

And every time people do things like stop a Milo speaking at a university, or protest to the point where electoral promises are being overturned by judges ...

You vindicate Trump by making what he says correct -- literally putting him in the right, when he should be in the wrong.

I'm afriad by the time people on the left in general actually realise this -- that they have planned directly into the hands of Bannon's master strategy -- it will be too late.

It's what happens when people are partisan to the point where they are no longer really thinking about what they are doing or saying. Hence, widespread articles spinning their wheels about why it is ethically right to punch Nazis in the street or to stop someone from the alt right speaking at a university.

If you behave in a way that is no better than facists, and literally make them the victims, how do you ever expect to beat them?

You have to be smarter than that. I fear that no one can be or will be.
If I give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you aren't concern trolling with bull****, what sort of response do you feel is appropriate to the Trump administration?
02-04-2017 , 10:07 AM
Trump followed the judge tweet up with one bashing the New York Times:

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After being forced to apologize for its bad and inaccurate coverage of me after winning the election, the FAKE NEWS @nytimes is still lost!

There's no master plan, he just can't help himself.
02-04-2017 , 10:07 AM
If you fight back when under attack you're just playing into your attacker's hands!
02-04-2017 , 10:10 AM
All I want for Trump is to nerf China.
02-04-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
If you fight back when under attack you're just playing into your attacker's hands!
Only total capitulation can undermine the Republicans. It's the last thing they'd ever expect!
02-04-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
No, I meant Muslim. That would empower and vindicate Trump to the point where I don't even want to contemplate it.

The left are digging their own grave to the point where it is agonising to watch play out.
What is the appropriate response?
02-04-2017 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JAKETS25
I'm all for accepting the Constitution as written.
You shouldn't be as this is an indefensible position held only by the lunatic right.
02-04-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
If I give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you aren't concern trolling with bull****, what sort of response do you feel is appropriate to the Trump administration?
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
What is the appropriate response?
In the first instance I think you have to pipe down, accept he won, re-group, think about what went wrong, think about how to beat him in four years.

Trump is one of the only politicians any of us have ever seen who does this:

1. I am making this promise.
2. Now I am delivering on this promise.

Now, given that, he's taking a huge risk with his base. If he cannot deliver his promise, if he screws things up, they will turn against him. If he doesn't, then hey ho, a good economy is a good thing right.

But if he does screw up, then you can start to really hurt him.

This stuff, this stuff right here, only makes him stronger.

He can turn and say "look, these elites are trying to stop the will of you, the people".

He can say "look, we were right, they are sore losers and they cannot take it, and they want to keep you down"

etc. etc.

Got to be smarter than this. If things continue this way, mark my words, Trump will win again. And after him someone like him again. And again.

And so on, until people learn the lessons of 2016.

Same here in the UK too.
02-04-2017 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
In the first instance I think you have to pipe down, accept he won, re-group, think about what went wrong, think about how to beat him in four years.

Trump is one of the only politicians any of us have ever seen who does this:

1. I am making this promise.
2. Now I am delivering on this promise.

Now, given that, he's taking a huge risk with his base. If he cannot deliver his promise, if he screws things up, they will turn against him. If he doesn't, then hey ho, a good economy is a good thing right.

But if he does screw up, then you can start to really hurt him.

This stuff, this stuff right here, only makes him stronger.

He can turn and say "look, these elites are trying to stop the will of you, the people".

He can say "look, we were right, they are sore losers and they cannot take it, and they want to keep you down"

etc. etc.

Got to be smarter than this. If things continue this way, mark my words, Trump will win again. And after him someone like him again. And again.

And so on, until people learn the lessons of 2016.

Same here in the UK too.
He isn't delivering on all his promises, see pharma post above and various other posts. More accurate way of saying it is:
Trump has literally promised everything to someone at some point, so whenever he does something, he has promised it in the past.
02-04-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jsb235
They are making Milo into a martyr, which legitimizes everything he says.
No it doesn't.

The university authorities had notified Berkeley Republicans that they were not happy about Milo's planned address, because they had reason to believe -- from an article on Breitbart which advertised his collaboration with the right-wing David Horowitz Freedom Center -- that he was going to use the platform to name and 'out' individual so-called undocumented students. They believed that this could amount to incitement and could lead to unrest.

The Horowitz Center has previously fly-posted campuses with the names and pictures of so-called undocumented students in order to incite hostility against them, and Breitbart actually said that Milo was working with the Center to attack 'sanctuary campuses' for harbouring undocumented students.

In fact, to enrol at Berkeley, such students would have to have DACA permits, social security numbers and, if from in-state (which is how you get the lower fees), legal residence in California, so they aren't as undocumented as all that.

The speech was cancelled before the violence occurred, but the authorities seem to have been right about the potential for unrest.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/U...d-10901517.php

Not long ago Milo was slated to give a speech at his old school in England, and the government banned it for similar reasons.
02-04-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
He isn't delivering on all his promises, see pharma post above and various other posts. More accurate way of saying it is:
Trump has literally promised everything to someone at some point, so whenever he does something, he has promised it in the past.
Right, so rather than protest on stuff he literally said he would do, point out the ways he is failing.

The more protests get vehement, the more the base is galvinised.

His gets his strength from pointing to middle-class liberals and calling them out on being against the American people. So if lots of middle-class liberals get angry and march together, all they do is embolden his core support even more.

And on and on it will go until people understand this.
02-04-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
No, I meant Muslim. That would empower and vindicate Trump to the point where I don't even want to contemplate it.

The left are digging their own grave to the point where it is agonising to watch play out.
Just like the right digs its own grave every time they go against gun control and then there's a school shooting?
02-04-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No it doesn't.
It totally does. Stop being blind to reality in the service of partisanship. Really stop.
02-04-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
We're in uncharted waters here. He can't legally do what you're suggesting, but who will stop him? What we saw last weekend is that all of those checks and balances we Americans are so proud of ultimately boil down to gentlemen's agreements and respect for tradition.
Honestly, I thought I wouldn't need a damage report today because nothing much would happen on a Friday night, and yet:

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BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 56m56 minutes ago

President Donald Trump vows to restore travel ban after it was suspended by what he described as a "so-called judge"
Holy ****, this is getting scary.
02-04-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
In the first instance I think you have to pipe down, accept he won, re-group, think about what went wrong, think about how to beat him in four years.

Trump is one of the only politicians any of us have ever seen who does this:

1. I am making this promise.
2. Now I am delivering on this promise.

Now, given that, he's taking a huge risk with his base. If he cannot deliver his promise, if he screws things up, they will turn against him. If he doesn't, then hey ho, a good economy is a good thing right.

But if he does screw up, then you can start to really hurt him.

This stuff, this stuff right here, only makes him stronger.

He can turn and say "look, these elites are trying to stop the will of you, the people".

He can say "look, we were right, they are sore losers and they cannot take it, and they want to keep you down"

etc. etc.

Got to be smarter than this. If things continue this way, mark my words, Trump will win again. And after him someone like him again. And again.

And so on, until people learn the lessons of 2016.

Same here in the UK too.
This is some impressively poor analysis.

1) Nobody is arguing he didn't win. NOBODY.

2) your delusional idea he is the first politician to keep his promise is completely and totally false. In fact, I'd be happy to bet you can't find a single politician at any level of government that has not kept any of thier promises. As with most ideas from the right the truth is the exact opposite of your belief.

3) President Human Filth currently has the lowest approval rating for a new president ever recorded. There is no political analysis that would lead a sane person to arguing this is the obvious receipt for a second win. All evidence points to this being a totally incompetent administration. Therefore, we should expect continuous bungling and missteps.

4) every single economists agrees Trumps ideas on "bringing back jobs" (see how I used quotation marks correctly) argue they will do nothing to help the lower class whites who love him. In fact, they are almost sure to raise prices on thier day to day purchases. Another reason President Human Filth is not going to be as loved by his base in four years.

I think your analysis, based entirely on the magical power of liberal tears, should head on back to /thedonald and continue researching pizzagate.

We have to save those poor children.

Last edited by Clovis8; 02-04-2017 at 10:40 AM.
02-04-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by np1235711
When the final adjudication takes place, I will agree with you. But generally speaking when Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley agree on a constitutional issue, it is probably on pretty good logical ground.

Pretty telling how chaired professor at GW and Harvard become "legal advice provided on CNN" when you don't like the conclusions they arrive at....

But regardless, it will all shake out in the fullness of time.
Usually when there are controversial cases where you don't know which way the courts are going to go, the first sign of that is different rulings on the same law out of different circuits.

So far EVERY SINGLE JUDGE who has ruled on this issue has ruled against Trump. That's very telling to me.
02-04-2017 , 10:40 AM
1) Nobody is arguing he didn't win. NOBODY.

"Not my president"

2) your delusional idea he is the first politician to keep his promise is completely and totally false. In fact, I'd be happy to bet you can't find a single politician at any level of government that has not kept any of thier promises. As with most ideas from the right the truth is the exact opposite of you belief.

This may well be the case, but it's about messaging and communication and getting that across. If your message is something as easy to get as "build the wall", and then you go and build a wall, people can see that. Politicians have not been as effective in hammering home messages on that really basic level. The proof? People don't trust politicians.

3) President Human Filth currently has the lowest approval rating for a new president ever recorded. There is not very odd political analysis that would lead a sane person to arguing this is the obvious receipt for a second win. All evidence points to this being a totally incompetent administration. Therefore, we should expect continuous bungling and missteps.

But who is answering those polls? Poll data suggested that 90%+ Hilary would win the election. The data obviously wasn't that good.

And ....

IF all evidence points to this being a mess ... let it be a mess. Then people will see it's a mess, and the guy will be voted out. It's not hard.


4) every single economists agrees Trumps ideas on "bringing back jobs" (see how I used quotation marks correctly) argue they will do nothing to help the lower class whites who love him. In fact, they are almost sure to raise prices on thier day to day purchases. Another reason President Human Filth is not going to be as loved by his base in four years.

I think your analysis, based entirely on the magical power of liberal tears, should head on back to /thedonald and continuing researching pizzagate.

We have to save those poor children.

This is the trouble with people being partisan shills. They assume anyone who disagrees with them is on the other side. I am not on the other side. I would have voted for Hilary. I also voted to remain in the EU.

I just talk about what I see and call it as far as possible down the line. You literally make posts saying "President Human Filth", so how can anyone expect us to think you are anything less than a totally biased partisan on this matter? You will never convince anyone who doesn't already believe what you do. Quick, better go march together with them! That's going to convince everyone else of your view.

Ineffective.

      
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