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08-18-2017 , 02:39 PM

#52876

TiltedDonkey

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JacktheDumb

Ok, suggesting to execute prisoners with bullets trenched in pigs blood is alright, suggesting to execute a man who calls for things like this is not?

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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb

Would there be a point at which it is ok? I could not help but wonder if there was a point somewhere around 1933-1934 were a Jewish member of the then still existing opposition party called for the assassination of Hitler and everybody went "Are you insane?"

Trump´s administration and the GOP are actively working towards dehumanizing Muslims and the black community. I mean honestly, the US has around 1% of its population, mostly minorities, imprisoned in dehumanizing conditions. At this time and place in America 2017 we have a couple of court verdicts that legitimize killing black people if you are "scared" of them.

Is there a line or would it never be ok?

Suggesting it is fine IMO, but for a lawmaker it's a very dumb idea. But of course there is a line. Anyone saying "it's never okay to suggest that" is just being an idiot.

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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb

What would you call such a system?

A flawed democracy.

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

This seems like a terrible move politically for Trump. Anyone who hates him isn't going to care he let Bannon go and a ton of his nationalist base will care.

Wonder if Bannon really did resign a week ago knowing he wasn't getting anything done. He could go scorced earth and apply pressure on Trump from the outside now.

4d chess!

08-18-2017 , 02:48 PM

#52877

bobman0330

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08-18-2017 , 02:53 PM

#52878

DVaut1

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RE: Bannon's role and direction of the WH, Costa is pretty well connected with the admin:

08-18-2017 , 02:53 PM

#52879

ScreaminAsian

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bannon and kelly mutually agreed that he's fired

08-18-2017 , 02:54 PM

#52880

Rococo

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

Amazing

08-18-2017 , 03:01 PM

#52881

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

So basically, argument ad populum.

Two things:

1. I acknowledge most people don't really care to take down the Jefferson Memorial, that wasn't my point and it wasn't your point. Before, you argued that monuments to Jefferson were justified because we celebrated the ideals he articulated but not the man. Now you're arguing they're justified because people don't object to them. You're just shifting the goalposts from your previous dumb argument to a better one, which whatever, kudos for arriving to something more coherent eventually.

No....its the same argument. People aren't offended by the Jefferson memorial because they don't associate the preservation of offensive ideas with the memorial and see it as a good faith effort to promote ideas we all value, regardless of Jefferson as a person. So don't remove. Thats the same argument i said in my first post that you poo pooed as being obvious, trivial and something you already understand, then have gone on to contradict over and over again.

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Frame it differently: do we agree the original erection of Jefferson Memorials and other Jefferson monuments were a historical mistake for right-thinking people, and that the only reason for keeping them is that most people are some mixture of confused, historically illiterate or amoral? Remember I concede the historical memory of Jefferson remains popular enough.

The problem is the "historical memory" of Jefferson is so strong that even the people that should be most offended by it (direct relatives of Sally Hemings, relatives of Monticello slaves, black people in general) don't really want the monument to come down. You want the monument to come down to teach them about how bad Jefferson was......i really don't care about whitesplaing that to them or the nation as a whole.

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2. The argument to remove JoePa's statue from PSU's campus was not that "many people are offended," it's that he covered up his employee's child raping. PSU leadership maybe caped to like some kind of national political pressure but they certainly acted courageously in the face of local popular opinion that deifies JoePa. At least if we define the courageous act only when considering what to do with the statue vis a vis the Penn St community, alums, donors, etc. (obviously I recognize the PSU admin was in fact complicit in covering up the crimes). JoePa remains a cult like figure on PSU's campus, that's why PSU slappies are still frothing about his statue.

Sigh.... this completely contradicts your reason for wanting to get rid of Jefferson statues. Penn State slappies are gonna venerate JoePa no matter what happens to the statue..... yeah they suck and ive given up on trying to make them suck less. We didn't teach them that he was horrible by removing his statue. We're glad it went down because we sympathize with Sandusky victims or Catholic church pedophilia victims or victims of sexual abuse in general who are offended by the statue.

You are not making the same argument for Jefferson.

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08-18-2017 , 03:03 PM

#52882

Duke0424

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biggest reason for me is that these confederate guys were traitors who wanted to destroy the union and form their own country.

if california seceded and caused the biggest war in US history, would we put up statues of their leaders?

08-18-2017 , 03:03 PM

#52883

danspartan

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Oh oh. Breitbart has an article worrying the trump is going to Arnold 2.0 and completely veer left.

08-18-2017 , 03:07 PM

#52884

Dominic

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So the Party of Lincoln is now the Party of Lee?

I can't be the first one to say that, right? It's too good not to have already been thought of.

08-18-2017 , 03:19 PM

#52885

StimAbuser

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Originally Posted by Duke0424

Californian here, they should totally let us do it peacefully :\.

08-18-2017 , 03:23 PM

#52886

Namath12

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Massive scandal for Literally Any Other President

For this one, it's just another day in August

08-18-2017 , 03:26 PM

#52887

ScreaminAsian

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https://twitter.com/cafedotcom/statu...68820687687680

08-18-2017 , 03:28 PM

#52888

Thug Bubbles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyA

It looks like they are mostly accepting it now and not jumping off the Trump train (some concern but most seem ok with it):

[...]

I think there'll be some that perform the appropriate mental gymnastics to be ok with this, but I'm betting it'll anger the majority of his core. Here's the first reply to news from the conservative messageboard I peer at:

"****. Any victory for the s**tlibs and/or globohomos is to be avoided at all costs. The only unforgivable sin is betraying the team."

08-18-2017 , 03:38 PM

#52889

goofyballer

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Resume of longtime Trump family employee appointed to HUD obtained via FOIA request

She did not graduate from Quinnipiac (which it looks like she misspelled?), it's not clear if she even fully attended Yale (may have just been summer classes) and it's not clear if she even graduated from Miami. The job for which this qualifies her:

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In June, HUD Secretary Ben Carson, an acclaimed neurosurgeon with no expertise in housing policy either, charged Patton with running the agency’s regional office overseeing New York and New Jersey. Her appointment stirred controversy because of her lack of experience and the fact that Trump has a 4 percent stake in a Brooklyn development, Starrett City, that is the nation’s largest subsidized housing complex.

Patton is one of 10 regional administrators for HUD, an agency that has a $48.7 billion budget this year. Her position pays $161,900 a year.

08-18-2017 , 03:49 PM

#52890

JacktheDumb

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Resume of longtime Trump family employee appointed to HUD obtained via FOIA request

It seems like there should be a law against this.

08-18-2017 , 03:50 PM

#52891

ScreaminAsian

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the best people

08-18-2017 , 04:03 PM

#52892

Kirbynator

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does trump know how bad firing Bannon is for him? Probably not.

He's not gaining back anyone who hates what he's done and is doing, but he's gonna lose a lot of alt right supporters

Can't wait for next weeks polls

GOP has to be preparing Pence at this point..

*popcorn*

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08-18-2017 , 04:04 PM

#52893

verneer

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So ... who's next?

08-18-2017 , 04:05 PM

#52894

danspartan

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JFC just had my boss say that it was 53/47 nazis/antifa responsible for Charlottesville. Ruined my whole day. Knew he was a rightie back not a whack job.

08-18-2017 , 04:07 PM

#52895

JacktheDumb

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One of the dominating opinions seems to be that Trump is a Democrat now, but still better then Hillary.

08-18-2017 , 04:08 PM

#52896

goofyballer

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TIL reading the NYT Bannon article that Gary Cohn is a registered Democrat. Jesus, between that and the Charlottesville stuff how in the **** is he still there?