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08-18-2017 , 05:31 AM

#52726

Rex Ingram

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I'd like to credit devaut for changing my mind about historical statues

08-18-2017 , 07:26 AM

#52727

sportsjefe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

She's brought up twice before. It's just so much worse right now.

The "minorities are gonna overtake whites soon" is THE lynchpin of Democratic Party strategy. Demographics of destiny and all that.

08-18-2017 , 07:44 AM

#52728

Our House

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That Russia timeline was too threadworthy to leave buried in here. I've been reading for 2.5 hours so far and HOLY **** only about 18% through. Because the timeline receives regular updates, it's probably even sticky material.

NEW THREAD: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...eline-1684521/

08-18-2017 , 08:48 AM

#52729

timotheeeee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

2005 Bankruptcy Bill made it so student loans survive bankruptcy and car loans survive nuclear war. Sorry.

Solid and unexpected BAPCPA joke/reference.

08-18-2017 , 09:01 AM

#52730

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Our country is safe!

Democrats are making our country not safe!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...22732672933890
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...28795308642304

08-18-2017 , 09:08 AM

#52731

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Heather Heyer's mom gave a nasty response to Trump saying she won't even talk to him and to think before he speaks lol. Trump's definitely unhinged enough to twattack her hard, right?

08-18-2017 , 09:10 AM

#52732

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by Our House

Heather Heyer's mom gave a nasty response to Trump saying she won't even talk to him and to think before he speaks lol. Trump's definitely unhinged enough to twattack her hard, right?

He 100% will

08-18-2017 , 09:24 AM

#52733

All-In Flynn

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He likes people whose kids didn't get murdered by Nazis.

08-18-2017 , 09:27 AM

#52734

Our House

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

Our country is safe!

Democrats are making our country not safe!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...22732672933890
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTq1rum...28795308642304

Whoa stop that horse! He better not be starting in on the courts now too. That's all we have left after the military.

08-18-2017 , 09:30 AM

#52735

eyebooger

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Originally Posted by Our House

Whoa stop that horse! He better not be starting in on the courts now too. That's all we have left after the military.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...31481185689600

08-18-2017 , 09:31 AM

#52736

Our House

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I love how Trump gets in trouble over Nazis and goes "Everybody talk about monuments" and then everybody talks about monuments for 3 days.

I really can't stand this ****ing fraud.

08-18-2017 , 09:32 AM

#52737

DVaut1

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Originally Posted by well named

I have also previously ruminated upon residential segregation as one of the most important social issues in the US, so I agree with that.

Relevant here, since it was just posted:

The real driver of regional inequality in America

Quote:

America in the Gilded Age was a starkly unequal place, not just in terms of inequality between people but inequality between regions. Long-settled, fast-industrializing states in the Northeast were far richer than those of the West or the South, which had many fewer factories, railroads, and other kinds of capital goods that allowed for productive work and high wages. But around 1880 that began to change, and for 100 years, income gaps between states slowly converged at a rate of about 1.8 percent per year.

Three cheers for looking back at the Gilded Age for comparison to our current time.

Anyway:

Quote:

But since 1980, that process has began to slow, and over the past decade it’s essentially stopped entirely. Today, Massachusetts’s GDP per capita is about double what you find in Mississippi — roughly equivalent to the gap between Switzerland and Slovakia — and it’s not getting any narrower.

Quote:

Ganong and Shoag argue that the slowing population growth in rich cities and the slowing of regional income convergence are intimately linked trends.

Less skilled workers used to move to rich states to increase their wages. That lowered average income in the rich states while raising it in the poor ones, as people’s natural tendency to move toward economic opportunity helped drive nationwide convergence of wages and incomes. But in the contemporary United States, zoning restrictions that prevent adequate levels of house building mean that much of the higher incomes earned in rich states simply pass through in the form of higher housing costs.

For skilled workers, this trade-off is worth it, but for the working class, it generally isn’t. Consequently, working-class people have begun to move out of the rich states and toward the cheap ones — throwing the pattern of convergence into reverse.

A huge, huge problem. Our cultural insanity is partly due to exactly this. I've seen a few very sharp scholars/commentators/etc. make the connection. But the ultimate and best hope for our future, the "man our cultural differences seem to get worse and worse, will it ever end?" is to solve these sorts of zoning problems and migration patterns that simply deepen segregation and ultimately service white oppositional culture.

In the end, cosign on ideas like this:

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The housing fix for regional inequality entails more rather than less concentration of economic activity in rich coastal metro areas. The mechanism is that with a greater supply of housing, the working-class share of the population of these metro areas would grow disproportionately — dragging per capita incomes down while pulling them up in poorer places. Sunbelt and Rust Belt cities would be richer but smaller, while coastal ones would be bigger.

This would leave almost everyone better off, but it’s not exactly the political solution to the problem of regional inequality that elected officials are looking for. To get that job done, politicians may need to look at more direct solutions like moving white-collar government work to cities that have suffered population decline or creating new universities in declining areas.

The "dragging per capita incomes down while pulling them up in poorer places" isn't exactly well articulated but the rest is good.

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08-18-2017 , 09:34 AM

#52738

Our House

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...31481185689600

Ha, an open book. The more tilted he gets at the table, the easier he is to read.

08-18-2017 , 09:36 AM

#52739

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Mitt Romney is an idiot. He's your president bro deal with it. Dudes, we need potus to super duper apologize for realz this time no take backs. Blacks are cool (except for voting ldo)

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I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.
The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?
In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?
The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.
This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

08-18-2017 , 09:38 AM

#52740

Our House

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A Missouri Congresswoman put up an assassination post, but deleted it after.

08-18-2017 , 09:44 AM

#52741

fatkid

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Originally Posted by Our House

A Missouri Congresswoman put up an assassination post, but deleted it after.

Site

08-18-2017 , 09:45 AM

#52742

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Blah sorry. CNN.

EDIT: Here:

Secret Service investigating posts by Missouri state lawmaker

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(CNN) The US Secret Service is investigating comments made online by a Missouri state lawmaker who reportedly said she hoped President Donald Trump would be assassinated.

Democratic State Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal's comment has since been deleted -- but it did not go unnoticed.

08-18-2017 , 09:48 AM

#52743

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Originally Posted by Our House

Blah sorry. CNN.

Found it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.bff8aa42aefe

God this is even dumber than TRUMP. Hilarious.

08-18-2017 , 09:50 AM

#52744

Our House

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Reverse ponied on the edit. Sweet!

08-18-2017 , 09:53 AM

#52745

ligastar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Found it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.bff8aa42aefe

God this is even dumber than TRUMP. Hilarious.

google image search "don't be black, don't be black, don't be black, doh"

08-18-2017 , 09:54 AM

#52746

fatkid

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Originally Posted by ligastar

google image search "don't be black, don't be black, don't be black, doh"

I mean there is no possible way she's not out of a job.

08-18-2017 , 09:58 AM

#52747

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Originally Posted by fatkid

I mean there is no possible way she's not out of a job.

she needs to be. she also needs to issue a heartfelt apology right away. maybe even say she'll hand scrub clean the nearest CSA monument as a sign of contrition.

08-18-2017 , 10:01 AM

#52748

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ligastar

google image search "don't be black, don't be black, don't be black, doh"

This is the same "fuuuck" feeling in the stomach that I got the other day, when the Nazipremacists destroyed that Holocaust exhibit.

08-18-2017 , 10:03 AM

#52749

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Originally Posted by ligastar

she needs to be. she also needs to issue a heartfelt apology right away. maybe even say she'll hand scrub clean the nearest CSA monument as a sign of contrition.

She may need protection now. Stupid ass is probably on death watch. Nazi'ing her get away without backlash.

08-18-2017 , 10:05 AM

#52750

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These types of stories come up all the time, and when Obama was in office, it was always some old white guy, or middle aged white woman who just finished demanding to speak to the manager at Arby's, who shared some racist facebook post, or forwarded an email with a picture of Obama with a bone through his nose. There are thousands of state legislators in the country, and most of them are absolute morons.

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