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02-03-2017 , 09:26 PM

#5201

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

He's Canadian.

Australia? Long trip, though.

Go visit Newfoundland! Quant towns with nice pubs and only about 3/4 as much as going to Australia!

02-03-2017 , 09:30 PM

#5202

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

Cities didn't vote for trump, so it'll just hurt non trump voters.

Hurts business.

If the Chamber of Commerce doesn't like Trump he's going to have a harder time finding friends in Congress.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s

02-03-2017 , 09:33 PM

#5203

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by Klingbard

West coast best coast. GWB appointed judge to boot.

See @hanamkim for more info on hearing.

Does this really matter? Won't Trump just direct CPB and others to ignore it?

02-03-2017 , 09:36 PM

#5204

Paul D

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Does this really matter? Won't Trump just direct CPB and others to ignore it?

He can't legally.

02-03-2017 , 09:36 PM

#5205

valenzuela

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Part of me wants Trump to ignore the judiciary ruling for the lulz.

02-03-2017 , 09:37 PM

#5206

ScreaminAsian

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Eric Trump’s business trip to Uruguay cost taxpayers $97,830 in hotel bills

thank god we don't have to hear about that clinton foundation tho

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02-03-2017 , 09:40 PM

#5207

CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by Paul D

He can't legally.

Did anyone suggest he would do it legally?

02-03-2017 , 09:40 PM

#5208

einbert

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Originally Posted by microbet

Hurts business.

If the Chamber of Commerce doesn't like Trump he's going to have a harder time finding friends in Congress.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s

Exactly. One of the big driving forces behind NC electing a Democratic Governor recently was corporate backlash to the bathroom bill. Big corporations are naturally opposed to a lot of the stuff the Trump administration is going to try to do, so we need to constantly work to leverage them against each other. It's a winning platform for The People.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...t-law-boycott/

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When the corporation that designed the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant and a porn website are boycotting your entire state, you know you've done something horribly wrong.

General Electric and xHamster are among the list—that also includes Ringo Starr and Bruce Springsteen—of beings and corporations that are refusing to do business with North Carolina for its recent banning of local LGBT nondiscrimination ordinances and requirement that transgender people use public bathrooms that match their birth certificates.

Let's keep the boycotts coming, folks, and maybe we can get the NBA to pull the 2017 All-Star game and the NFL to relocate its May team owners meeting (both in Charlotte).

02-03-2017 , 09:42 PM

#5209

valenzuela

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Originally Posted by Paul D

He can't legally.

Obama did a bunch of illegal stuff and nobody cared. Whether Trump will comply to the ruling or not is going to be a political judgement.

I'm not sure he will want to go full fascism so early in his mandate but what do I know.

02-03-2017 , 09:43 PM

#5210

einbert

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Obama did a bunch of illegal stuff and nobody cared.

That's not true. Republicans put every single E.O. he made through the legal ringer, and he complied with every judicial order.

02-03-2017 , 09:45 PM

#5211

valenzuela

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Originally Posted by einbert

That's not true. Republicans put every single E.O. he made through the legal ringer, and he complied with every judicial order.

Didn't he kill us citizen on the mere suspicion he was a terrorist? That's pretty illegal if you ask me.

02-03-2017 , 09:46 PM

#5212

kerowo

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

Didn't he kill us citizen on the mere suspicion he was a terrorist? That's pretty illegal if you ask me.

Are you a lawyer?

02-03-2017 , 09:47 PM

#5213

pyatnitski

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Got to imagine the inclusion of final paragraph here is light trolling..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-fourth-day

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Tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets of Bucharest and other Romanian cities on Friday, blowing whistles, waving giant national flags and booing at giant puppets of politicians they hold responsible for a decree to dilute the country’s anti-corruption fight.

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US state department spokesman Mark Toner said the US was “deeply concerned” about recent government decrees “that undermine rule of law and weaken accountability for financial and corruption-related crimes”

02-03-2017 , 10:04 PM

#5214

einbert

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

Didn't he kill us citizen on the mere suspicion he was a terrorist? That's pretty illegal if you ask me.

Okay you got a point there.

02-03-2017 , 10:07 PM

#5215

prana

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Him killing that citizen is the one thing damn near every Republican agrees with Obama on.

02-03-2017 , 10:08 PM

#5216

valenzuela

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Are you a lawyer?

Not yet, I still need to pass the Chilean equivalent of the bar exam. But how is that relevant to the discussion?

My main point is that the law is flexible according to political reality. Of course violating principles such as due process is much lighter than deciding to overrule a judiciary ruling but they both can be done if the political conditions are there.

02-03-2017 , 10:13 PM

#5217

iron81

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

Didn't he kill us citizen on the mere suspicion he was a terrorist? That's pretty illegal if you ask me.

Killing Al-Alwaki wasn't illegal. The President's war power isn't trumped (lower case) by US citizenship.

02-03-2017 , 10:13 PM

#5218

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Does this really matter? Won't Trump just direct CPB and others to ignore it?

We're in uncharted waters here. He can't legally do what you're suggesting, but who will stop him? What we saw last weekend is that all of those checks and balances we Americans are so proud of ultimately boil down to gentlemen's agreements and respect for tradition.

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General Electric and xHamster are among the list—that also includes Ringo Starr and Bruce Springsteen—of beings and corporations that are refusing to do business with North Carolina

It's like a modern-day Lysistrata.

02-03-2017 , 10:15 PM

#5219

iron81

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Originally Posted by pyatnitski

Got to imagine the inclusion of final paragraph here is light trolling..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-fourth-day

The question is whether the trolling was by a civil servant trolling Trump or a Tillerson appointee trolling the rest of us.

02-03-2017 , 10:17 PM

#5220

fatkid

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So this Devos human person is the Alamo now? They can't stop talking about her.

02-03-2017 , 10:25 PM

#5221

kerowo

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

It's relevant because you don't know the law or what went on behind the scenes before the attack.

02-03-2017 , 10:25 PM

#5222

lycosid

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Originally Posted by fatkid

So this Devos human person is the Alamo now? They can't stop talking about her.

I have no idea how she became the most vulnerable Cabinet nom, but it's looking like the one spot we might get a win, which has people pretty fired up.

02-03-2017 , 10:26 PM

#5223

Paul McSwizzle

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

What mandate?

02-03-2017 , 10:28 PM

#5224

iron81

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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle

What mandate?

I suspect he meant "term".

02-03-2017 , 10:34 PM

#5225

sportsjefe

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Originally Posted by lycosid

I have no idea how she became the most vulnerable Cabinet nom, but it's looking like the one spot we might get a win, which has people pretty fired up.

Devos hates public schools. Teachers have figured that out. As have parents whose children have disabilities.

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