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08-16-2017 , 09:18 AM

#52151

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

With P7 closed, maybe FoldN can come back here and update us on how the aging process is going with this Scott Alexander blog that right wingers feverishly shared amongst themselves in November
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16...l-crying-wolf/
(h/t Max Read on twitter for reminding me)

Good? Did it age good?

At least we're actually tracking the story properly now. The wolves just ran someone over but the villagers still don't believe us.

08-16-2017 , 09:20 AM

#52152

Our House

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Does anyone know how close we are to a Constitutional Convention? Last I heard was over a month ago, and it was something like 33/37. That was before that coal mine Governor converted from D to R.

The last thing we need right now is these ****ers changing the Constitution to bend it around Trump.

08-16-2017 , 09:22 AM

#52153

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PuppyFridayYall2

You're quick.

Mark my words: Trump's about to go on offense and this Russia ruse will be subsumed by something altogether more concrete.

The swamp is set to writhe, gents.

The date is 2017-07-29.

Let's revisit.

Is it revisiting time yet?

08-16-2017 , 09:36 AM

#52154

Huehuecoyotl

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Somehow I'm more offended by Jared and Ivanka's transparent attempts to distance themselves from her dad while so profiting off of him. I mean Trump's lazy and plays golf every weekend but these guys seem to be on constant vacation and just can't seem to be in the right place at the right time.

08-16-2017 , 09:46 AM

#52155

DVaut1

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transparent attempts to distance themselves from her dad while so profiting off of him.

This is not Trump is a 6D chessmaster blah blah, but I don't think it would be much of a conspiracy for Ivanka to have implicit if not explicit approval from her dad to play this game. That is, they've agreed that Papa is the right-wing salesman while she plays the role of pleading cosmopolitan for the purposes of preserving the appeal of her fashion brands and for keeping the channels of communication with New York media open, and they've agreed Ivanka/Jared can be leaky/critical to keep up the ruse here.

08-16-2017 , 10:00 AM

#52156

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

trump tipped over a year ago, this is what freefall feels like

Very well put.

08-16-2017 , 10:02 AM

#52157

superleeds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

I'd love a reporter to have the balls to ask Ivanka what she thinks about her dad 'giving comfort to groups who think her children are sub human scum'.

08-16-2017 , 10:02 AM

#52158

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A new FBI witness.

In Ukraine, a Malware Expert Who Could Blow the Whistle on Russian Hacking

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JUSTIN T. GELLERSON FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
By ANDREW E. KRAMER and ANDREW HIGGINS
AUGUST 16, 2017
KIEV, Ukraine — The hacker, known only by his online alias “Profexer,” kept a low profile. He wrote computer code alone in an apartment and quietly sold his handiwork on the anonymous portion of the internet known as the Dark Web. Last winter, he suddenly went dark entirely.

Profexer’s posts, already accessible only to a small band of fellow hackers and cybercriminals looking for software tips, blinked out in January — just days after American intelligence agencies publicly identified a program he had written as one tool used in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee.

But while Profexer’s online persona vanished, a flesh-and-blood person has emerged: a fearful man who the Ukrainian police said turned himself in early this year, and has now become a witness for the F.B.I.

08-16-2017 , 10:34 AM

#52159

LFS

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Well he got us to stop talking about Russia for a while!

08-16-2017 , 10:37 AM

#52160

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by microbet

Only a tiny slice of the tiny slice of the extreme left does anything other than hate Stalin who was just a tyrant and a nationalist. It was Russian nationalists, like Putin and his followers (like Trump), who killed millions in the Stalin era.

Dunno where people get that more people were killed by Stalin though. Are they counting the 20-something million Russians that the Germans killed?

It is wrong and horrible to suggest that the crimes of the Soviet regime were as bad or worse than the crimes of the Nazis, because they weren't. It's also a bit misleading though to suggest that Stalin was the only Soviet mass murderer or that Russian nationalism was the ideology motivating those killings. A big theme of Stalin's atrocities was the drive to collectivize agriculture (a left policy) and exterminate groups that were likely to oppose that agenda. Also, recall that Lenin and Trotsky were prolific murderers themselves and they were certainly ideological communists and not nationalists.

08-16-2017 , 10:39 AM

#52161

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McConnell just came out against Nazi stuff because they wanted to have a "rally" in Lexington, KY, his State. He said they weren't welcome there or anywhere in America. Didn't call Trump out by name or title though.

08-16-2017 , 10:45 AM

#52162

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Originally Posted by LFS

Well he got us to stop talking about Russia for a while!

I've been watching carefully. Big change since "Fire and fury" so that even Rachel hasn't been leading with Russia stories much.

The Nazi movement won't subside for a bit. All kinds of racists will be coming out of the woodworks. I shudder thinking about red States.

08-16-2017 , 11:06 AM

#52163

LFS

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We live in a time when the Army Chief of Staff tweeting about intolerance for racism is news, because by doing so he's directly contradicting the commander-in-chief.

08-16-2017 , 11:08 AM

#52164

TimmayB

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Jfc. Seriously just suffer a massive coronary and croak.

08-16-2017 , 11:16 AM

#52165

fatkid

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I miss Bush.

08-16-2017 , 11:17 AM

#52166

Kafja

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Quote:

Originally Posted by superleeds

I'd love a reporter to have the balls to ask Ivanka what she thinks about her dad 'giving comfort to groups who think her children are sub human scum'.

Why? Nothing interesting would happen.

'People who know my father well know that he has love and respect for all people. He clearly stated that these groups and beliefs are wrong, and has condemned violence in its forms. I think the criticism has been very unfair and has distracted people from the many positive steps we have taken to Make America Great Again.'

The belief among liberals that Ivanka Trump has some kind of soul or conscience despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is mystifying.

The Trumps are human garbage, with the possible exception of Baron.

08-16-2017 , 11:21 AM

#52167

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kafja

The belief among liberals that Ivanka Trump has some kind of soul or conscience despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is mystifying.
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Here's a secret: the Ivanka love fest is primarily fueled by men who find her attractive. People want to like a good-looking, well-spoken person.

08-16-2017 , 11:25 AM

#52168

eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

I miss Bush.

Bush was a ****ing idiot who surrounded himself with war criminals. Let's not normalize that presidency just because the current one is orders of magnitude worse.

08-16-2017 , 11:27 AM

#52169

DVaut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

I miss Bush.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyebooger

Bush was a ****ing idiot who surrounded himself with war criminals. Let's not normalize that presidency just because the current one is orders of magnitude worse.

Think this gets it backwards. Bush remains orders of magnitudes worse; as of now Trump is just a ****ing hapless idiot with the potential for great danger.

08-16-2017 , 11:34 AM

#52170

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

I miss Bush.

Yeah, hol' up. Let's not pretend that Bush's presidency was somehow preferable to this just because the vast majority of the suffering Bush caused was overseas.

08-16-2017 , 11:39 AM

#52171

jjshabado

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I'm not sure I believe this, but I think there's a real argument to be made that the Bush presidency was less bad from a fundamental democracy point of view. I don't think the overall future of the US as a stable democracy was jeopardized as much during his presidency.

08-16-2017 , 11:41 AM

#52172

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Here's a secret: the Ivanka love fest is primarily fueled by men who find her attractive. People want to like a good-looking, well-spoken person.

Well spoken? She didn't know what complicit meant.

08-16-2017 , 11:44 AM

#52173

dereds

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well spoken as posh sounding rather than articulate by people who are unable to distinguish

08-16-2017 , 11:44 AM

#52174

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjshabado

I guess, but hundreds of thousands dead because of a lie is also on that side of the balance.

08-16-2017 , 11:54 AM

#52175

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

well spoken as posh sounding rather than articulate by people who are unable to distinguish

yup

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