He's not entirely wrong. The Nazis hate him, but not his country. Antifa does hate his country (he recognizes they don't hate him). The truth of the dying breed part is in question, but not really relevant. Netanyahu's son and the Israeli right will cozy up with antisemites as long as they are right wingers and support the occupation. They'll cozy up with the Saudi regime as well though, so the pretense that antisemitism is a deal breaker is pretty thin.

I agree to an extent. I wouldn't cast things as hopeless. On the other hand, the conditions underlying the rise of the fascist impulse aren't being addressed. So it's hard to see us getting out of this context where Buchanan and Trump don't have huge levels of popular support. I agree it will ebb and flow but Buchanan sort of proves the point I'm making: this is a very long standing political emotion that's been incubating for a long time.

More importantly, to my point: I wouldn't pin our hopes on waiting for Trumpkins to wake up.

I think Buchanan winning makes it much harder to denormalize Buchanan in the near future. My maybe uninformed view is that the only way to reduce Trump and his Nazi army (can we stop using alt-right? it actually make it sounds better than it is) back to their original marginal size is if the GOP decides to do so and actually risk something in that effort.

If Lindsay Graham, Paul Ryan and whoever else is somewhat popular and of some importance in the Republican world unite together and say "trump is a racist goon and not what our party stands for", it might help the 50 year old standard republican dad to decide that he should actively vote against Steve Bannon and friends.

Yeah the Trumpkins aren't going to wake up they are just going to get angrier when most of the campaign promises don't come true.

True, although at this point "supporting the occupation" is far less important than "hate the left and MSM" for the right wing in Israel. No one cares what the Alt-Right thoughts on settlements are, all they care is that they hate muslim, hate the liberals and hate MSM.

Exactly. I don't place much importance on approval rating anymore because of this. A war works too. Trump has assurances backing him up from many sources. Putin, GOP, Fox/Sinclair, every department in government, etc.

The important thing is, WTF can we do about it besides yelling loudly or waiting a full year with hopes of voting them out? It's painfully obvious how different things will be if he's still POTUS that far down the road.

As of maybe 3 or 4 weeks ago, I've lost faith in the GOP, and subsequently, impeachment as well. So has Trump apparently. His recent vicious attacks on McConnell and, what, 7 or 8 other Congressional Republicans show he's willing to part with them, if necessary. He doesn't want to, but if push came to shove... Because Nazis and dictators both get much more respect, and Putin gets infinite respect. Trump's not parting with the latter group anytime soon.

PS (off topic, but I just saw it on TV) I cannot tolerate it when Trump says [crazy ass claim] followed by "you know it" and pointing to a reporter or someone who can't answer back.

There's zero doubt Mueller will come through. Obstruction alone is a slam dunk and Democrat committee members have been saying Mueller has fire* ever since the Manafort raid became public. That was last Tuesday, when Trump threatened to nuke NK immediately after.

You know who else knows Mueller will come through? Yep, those two bastards. Is nobody even slightly curious about how they plan on countering it?

*Like "adoptions" = sanctions and "former KGB" = current FSB, "fire" = Russian collusion.

100% solid advice. Our country dropping the huge egos (like Europeans have done) would help. We're not that special anymore. Who would ever think in 2017 that the US would be looking to Germany for racial morality?

Anyway, accepting that we're not so special also accepts we're not so invulnerable either.

WHAT?? Who the **** is this Cantwell guy?

http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/15/vice-new...ille-episode/]

EDIT: And here's the full "eye-popping" clip:



20:50 YIKES

it will play out just fine for him.

Hey guys, chin up. At least the figure that underpins our entire financial system isn't a completely arbitrary fabrication.

oh wait, yes it it.

Hey look, same Cantwell guy saying more people will die, but this is 6am today and he's crying his eyes out. Trumpism: Where the bully is the coward.

Tomorrow: Jeff Sessions arrests people who use projectors on buildings.

Eh. I mostly agree with what Matt Levine has written recently on this issue, and since he's a much better (and more informed) writer than me I'll just quote him.

TLDR is that the financial system needs an agreed upon number. LIBOR worked for that purpose even if it wasn't really based on anything. The "solution" won't really be any better than LIBOR.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...mmunist-boards

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...fargo-mistakes

In other news Gary Cohn is deeply upset



About a lack of tax cuts

Best indictment of Trump's character yet. When your mob ties make you too "dangerous" to open a casino 30 years ago, you might be slightly corrupt.

Donald Trump's 'mafia connections' blocked his bid to open Sydney casino 30 years ago

One thing that makes this situation better than some of you are representing is that Trump barely won when facing one of the most unpopular Presidential candidates in modern time and against a large degree of apathy in Democratic voters.

So, I agree he's going to win the large majority of his supporters back in an election. But that's almost certainly not good enough even with increased voter suppression. There are millions of voters that didn't vote or voted third party that should be easily gettable next election after this **** show.

There's a large group of racists (and racist enablers) out there, but they're not enough to get a President elected in the vast majority of situations.

Now... I'm not saying the Democrats can't **** this up. But at the very least there's some room for optimism.

Yeah, we were blindsided last election. But don't worry, they're fixing it as we speak.

At least we might avoid nuclear war?



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...84898865553409

Hillary will be back in 2020

With P7 closed, maybe FoldN can come back here and update us on how the aging process is going with this Scott Alexander blog that right wingers feverishly shared amongst themselves in November
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16...l-crying-wolf/
(h/t Max Read on twitter for reminding me)

Good? Did it age good?

And if she does come back, she'll have to revise her estimation of Trump deplorables to something much higher than 50%.

Just to expand on my previous points and those of others, Donald himself positioned has campaign towards the "silent majority"

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/22/463884...t-mean-in-2016

I think that he believes and maybe rightfully so that there is a majority of at least white America that is still as much of a white supremacist as he is. And the evidence unfortunately seems to bear this out based on the election results and even the fact his support numbers have a hard floor. One reason I suspect the shocking election results occurred is that lots of people have views inside that they don't share with the people around them because they are racist and unpopular (ie the so called Silent Majority). Even though he didn't win the popular vote he won it if you exclude California and he outperformed the polls almost everywhere. 60m+ people voted for a man who was clearly a racist then and even more obviously is one now. That unfortunately tells you a lot about the actual views of our population.

In addition to the openly bigoted morons we have a very large class of closet bigots who agree with DJT and it is terrifying.

FFS, don't invite them back here. Let's just wait and let the three-year trolling vendetta quietly fizzle out.