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08-14-2017 , 06:13 PM
Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings

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Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”

The adviser, George Papadopoulos, offered to set up “a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump,” telling them his Russian contacts welcomed the opportunity, according to internal campaign emails read to The Washington Post.

The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.
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The exchanges are among more than 20,000 pages of documents the Trump campaign turned over to congressional committees this month after review by White House and defense lawyers. The selection of Papadopoulos’s emails were read to The Post by a person with access to them. Two other people with access to the emails confirmed the general tone of the exchanges and some specific passages within them.
So this is the kind of **** in the documents they willingly turned over...
08-14-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Richard Spencer was right.
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Alt-Right lol hahahahahahahaha I got you good donk.
08-14-2017 , 06:17 PM
08-14-2017 , 06:19 PM
Is America Headed for a New Kind of Civil War?

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...d-of-civil-war

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America’s stability is increasingly an undercurrent in political discourse. Earlier this year, I began a conversation with Keith Mines about America’s turmoil. Mines has spent his career—in the U.S. Army Special Forces, the United Nations, and now the State Department—navigating civil wars in other countries, including Afghanistan, Colombia, El Salvador, Iraq, Somalia, and Sudan. He returned to Washington after sixteen years to find conditions that he had seen nurture conflict abroad now visible at home. It haunts him. In March, Mines was one of several national-security experts whom Foreign Policy asked to evaluate the risks of a second civil war—with percentages. Mines concluded that the United States faces a sixty-per-cent chance of civil war over the next ten to fifteen years. Other experts’ predictions ranged from five per cent to ninety-five per cent. The sobering consensus was thirty-five per cent. And that was five months before Charlottesville.
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Based on his experience in civil wars on three continents, Mines cited five conditions that support his prediction: entrenched national polarization, with no obvious meeting place for resolution; increasingly divisive press coverage and information flows; weakened institutions, notably Congress and the judiciary; a sellout or abandonment of responsibility by political leadership; and the legitimization of violence as the “in” way to either conduct discourse or solve disputes.
08-14-2017 , 06:24 PM
If trumps real base is half the people who voted for him, that's only 1 in 8 americans. We're good.
08-14-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings



So this is the kind of **** in the documents they willingly turned over...
I can't find if there's a relation, but George (Georgios) Papadopulos was the Fascist Dictator of Greece from 1967-1974.
08-14-2017 , 06:51 PM
check his birth certificate
08-14-2017 , 07:09 PM

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/stat...30007554146305
08-14-2017 , 07:24 PM
Freedoms of speech and assembly: only for Nazis.
08-14-2017 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings



So this is the kind of **** in the documents they willingly turned over...
No. Proceed with caution here. Normally I would jump on new evidence against Trump, but halfway through the article 3 or 4 alarm whistles went off from the quotes and statements about campaign officials. Manafort was especially strange not wanting anything to do with Russia after having the adoptions meeting, doing soooo much work for Putin over the past decade, very likely laundered 10s of millions of Russian money into real estate, and actually TOOK other Russian meetings after this. It's not too believable that the other guys all wanted to alert NATO or worry about the law, even though nobody was ever notified and there were at least 8 other campaign/transition meetings with Russians after that and ALL were lied about on official government forms.

The question is, is Trump stupid enough to mix in edited or fabricated emails to Robert Mueller? Or is it possible the information "read to" WaPo doesn't match what was submitted to the Special Counsel? The truth will come out one way or another. Let's just hope that if this is forged, that it wasn't designed in a way that Mueller finds out but the public doesn't.

The reason I say to be careful is how this shows all the efforts on the side of Russia (just like their "claims" about the June 9th Junior meeting), and implicating just one barely known team member while clearing 4 others. Hearing a response from Papadopoulos will help a bit, but this whole story seems pretty unusual.
08-14-2017 , 07:27 PM


Poor guy just can't get a break from the mean old media.
08-14-2017 , 07:37 PM
Unreal. This is like the fraudulent Voter Fraud Commission trying to get the states to submit voter data to store on Pence's laptop.

It's a war of attrition. If they request enough info from enough places, they will still collect a goldmine from those states or businesses that actually do comply. And storing it all in a central database makes it easy to hack from Pence (which would be the 2nd time Pence gets hacked) or just hand over to a friend.
08-14-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


Poor guy just can't get a break from the mean old media.
A reporter needs to ask him for an example of a fake news story, so we can watch him squirm to come up with something from 5 months ago that exaggerates a number.
08-14-2017 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop


Poor guy just can't get a break from the mean old media.
And confirming that the only reason he said anything more was to get the media off his back.
08-14-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Is America Headed for a New Kind of Civil War?

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...d-of-civil-war
Its not impossible, we cant know what will happen because its too complex to predict. Peter Turchin performs a historians version of quantitative analysis called cliodynamics. He foresees political violence in the US to peak in the 2020s. For something big to happen the right societal parameters will be right where they need to be. His indicators for political stress has been growing explosively the past tens of years just like they did leading up to the civil war. You still need something to trigger huge events though and that may or may not happen. But increased political violence is probably on the menu even if no war or revolt etc.
08-14-2017 , 08:17 PM
Since 95% of those who know how Ipads or even televisions and telephones wor,k are on the side of the good guys, there will be no civil war.
08-14-2017 , 08:26 PM
https://www.gandi.net/

Friends don't let friends host on US servers.
08-14-2017 , 08:28 PM
Oh, I tried the Trumpeter terrorist attack thing on my mom before and she DIDN'T do the Muslim defense. Nono her reply was much less racist and definitely not insane.

"This violence and threats of war everywhere shows that the end times are upon us. It's all coming together."

I wanted to ask her what made her choose now after 1000s of years of people predicting end times every day, but decided to exercise some restraint.
08-14-2017 , 10:11 PM
On the plus side Mason provides such great cover they'll never find us here.
08-14-2017 , 10:14 PM
David Gergen just now on CNN

"The problem is Donald Trump himself [...] he can not address the hatred in the country until he addresses the hatred in his heart."

No truer words have ever been spoken.
08-14-2017 , 10:15 PM
Lol

08-14-2017 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
David Gergen just now on CNN

"The problem is Donald Trump himself [...] he can not address the hatred in the country until he addresses the hatred in his heart."

No truer words have ever been spoken.
I mean Trump is horrible but he would have never got elected if there wasn't a huge problem with America. The problem is the right wing hate machine - Trump is a symptom.
08-14-2017 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Lol

Charlottesville may have kept Trump busy enough to prevent any Korea provocations at a critical moment and now it looks like Kim is backing off his Guam threats.
08-14-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
David Gergen just now on CNN

"The problem is Donald Trump himself [...] he can not address the hatred in the country until he addresses the hatred in his heart."

No truer words have ever been spoken.
He will never address any of his shortcomings. This is what we have. He is your president man. Respect the office it gtfo out of America.

      
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