Painter is cool in my book:

Lol you read that?

Our House I'll be totally honest - I read every post in this thread but have started skim reading yours because the longer ones read like you just hit Post Reply then go all James Joyce on us. Agree with the sentiment behind them though.

Obviously it is your thought process, but I am curious if you are self aware that your thought process is a bit shall we say on the outside of the normal curve, and that in and by itself will lose the interest of many people, even those who follow politics. You may very well be preaching primarily to yourself and others who think like you, and that is fine, but it certainly is limiting in its scope of impact.

See, that is the type of condescension that puts you in the same category as 9/11 truthers on street corners pitching their beliefs, which they also have a deep passion about.


Again, you infuse your posts with a lot of condescension, but you also seem to lack self awareness of how you present yourself, or perhaps you simply do not care (which is valid if accurate). I certainly believe that you believe everything you say, to the point of it being a form of religion to you, but not everyone will convert, even those who have a foundation of anti-Trump sentiments, and many of those will actually be put off by your approach even if some of what you say would appeal to them. Again, you may very well not care what reaction you get (common among those with extreme agendas), and if so that is fine, although your message will continue to be lost in the wind, or as a different poster just said - skimmed.


Of course it is a brag (of sorts), you believe that know a lot of secret information that the rest of the sheeple are either too clueless or too indifferent to discover on their own, and you are doing them all a favor by sharing the enrichment that is your knowledge. Find a 9/11 truther on a street corner with a megaphone and it will be the same behavior type and attitude.

My curiosity was how self aware you are about how you present yourself and if you even care, and your answers have definitely given a fairly clear answer on that. I certainly wish you the best in your endeavors and your continued research and I will certainly read it at times and likely be entertained as I have in the past with some of your posts.

All the best.

https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/sta...31147392167938

Someone should tell the President that decades of dangerous rhetoric with North Korea on BOTH SIDES needs to stop.

We also need to stand up to Russia's attacks and find out who's helping on BOTH SIDES of the Pacific.

BOTH SIDES of Congress must to do what 80%-85% of the people want for their healthcare.

Of course BOTH SIDES are leaking to the media.

Let's not forget that the environment is used by BOTH SIDES to survive.

And BOTH SIDES are hating you more each passing day.

Our House, I'm 100% on your side of the argument insofar as I despise Trump and his supporters and am legitimately terrified for the future of the world. And yet I too have begun skimming past your posts as they're devolving into an incoherent mess of conspiritard nonsense and vapid talking points.

Take a step back. Post less and try to consider the value of what you're contributing. Your heart is in the right place but your credibility is evaporating.

Amazing how the unemployment numbers were like totally rigged and fake news for 8 years under Obama and now that the Republicans are in control it's like suddenly good news.

Same with stock market.

You just have to be a willful cock not to see the hypocrisy.

I don't know what to tell you. There's no "super secret" information, only things that a lot a people didn't get to yet.

There's also no super long article on everything Trump because there's just way too much spaghetti on the wall. I've read super long stuff about certain topics (Putin's Russian ties to Trump, Trump money laundering and real estate dealings, 2016 election hacks, cybersecurity, etc.) that is well sourced and have posted some of those. I've also seen every Trump/Russia related Congressional hearing in its entirety and posted a bunch of videos and clips here. Recently, I pushed the **** out of the important Browder hearing that got little to no attention during Scaramucci week. Literally nobody posted that they watched it.

Shows are incredibly informative too. I haven't missed a night of Rachel Maddow, and talk about her reporting constantly here. Then there are plenty of good documentaries on both CNN and MSNBC that cover a lot of this stuff truthfully.

Over a ridiculous amount of time spent on this, the only negative falsehoods I ever see about Trump are a handful of well known social media goers, like Mensch and Taylor predicting stuff from their BS sources, or random online comments. IRL is full of ignorance, so whatever.

But there's a very good explanation for this phenomenon...

Unlike other conspiracies, Trump's case (though familiar to the Russian people) is unique to Americans. It says more about Trump and the people who represent him than anything else. There's so much low hanging fruit that everything people report sounds like hyperbole, leaving very little need, or incentive, to make things up. When you see or hear a claim you don't think is true, look into it. I promise you'll be surprised very often.

Of course, none of this applies to claims that show Trump positively. The exact opposite is true for those.

I have a bad habit of scattering sources and link referrals around in smaller posts, and not compiling them for longer posts. Everybody is good or sucks at different things. For me, I'm somewhat lazy and write best off the top of my head. One day when I feel up to it, I may start a fully sourced, sticky-type, mega thread*.

*Idea: If other(s) are interested in working on that as a group, I'm willing to be part of it.

Even Bill Kristol gets it:

Now there's a winning tweet that MSM should take under advisement. Despite having a reputation for being overly critical of Trump, they still do a great deal of appeasing.

The Office of the President needs to be treated with the same respect the occupant gives it.

As I said - you have the powerful information in your mind that us sheeple have yet to learn and comprehend. That tends to be the approach of people who speak as you do.

Don't worry, I am sure you will do your best to weave all the strands together.

No doubt, but this is also unlikely to be your first foray into complex conspiracies. That is certainly an enjoyable hobby/adventure for some (odds are you had other topics with a similar passion in the past - perhaps 9/11 or something else), with the unfortunate drawback being that those engrossed within that world often times fail to see how they present themselves to the rest of humanity, even those who would be inclined to agree with many of the general concepts.

Meh, most people who speak like you try to present their pet conspiracies as something unique and important. I still remember talking to a guy who could not stop talking about how the Amero was a secret plot of multiple governments. Who knows, maybe he incorporated Trump into his beliefs.

Anyway, thanks for the chat. I did try to ask questions in a way to minimize the street corner yelling at clouds type of replies and that certainly helped getting a bit better insight on how some of the extreme anti-Trump crowd thinks. As I said before, best of luck in all your endeavors.

Meh, all of his detractors in the Republican sphere have built their careers pandering to and flattering the sensibilities of these same people. So sorry that Frankenstein's monster has now broken free from the laboratory and is wreaking havoc on the village, but Bill Kristol dedicated his entire adult life to building this. He ought to at least take some pride in the fruits of his labor.

Even the ****ing New Yorker ran a "Trump voters are more complicated than liberals think, also they get mad when made fun of" piece this week.

****. That.

For two reasons.

1. If you try to flip deplorables, you admit to the legitimacy of their horrible views.

2. It demoralizes people with non awful politics views.

We have long since passed the point of reason. If you're still on the fence now, there is nothing to discuss.

The one thing the right does get right is that you need to ****ing motivate your voters. They do it about lying about minorities, gays, etc.

We, inexplicably, lie about them to make them look better in hopes of flattering them into switching sides.

Hillary told the truth for one ****ing comment, walked it back, and everyone tut-tutted about what a scandal it was.

And Hillary drastically lowballed the percentage of deplorables!

Odds are wrong. Check my 13 years of posting. I've never been into conspiracies. Trump IS unique, and Trump IS a huge conspiracy.

Let me ask you something. What do you think of the conspiracy theory-ness of this post/reply:

Full disclosure (because I'm not trying to "trap" you) is some people jumped on that for being crazy and conspiratorial. After just one link was posted, the attitude changed to "good post" etc.

Informed theories tend to mimic conspiracy theories when it comes to Trump's decades old Russian situation, because of the sheer scope of his abhorrent behavior. It's just a matter of perspective.

We're unfortunately dealing with information overload. There are plenty of truths floating around that would blow the average person's mind. One example:

MSNBC & CNN and WaPo & NYT rarely, if ever, report fake news. There's some spin, but nothing compared to Fox or Breitbart "spin", which is constant major exaggeration and flat out lies. It's not easy to defend Trump. In fact, it's a mirror image of the problem I'm having...the more Trump truth they learn, the harder it is to seem human when sticking up for him. So, their credibility is being smashed and whole careers are being lost, and it's Donald Trump who's doing the escalating. Sure, they can choose to abandon ship, and many have, but the point remains that Trump is in control (albeit limited due to Putin) of our norms, and he can erode them for us, whether we do anything to help or not.

I think Google has some kind of beta version of an image search function, where you can upload a facial image and it will search it against other websites with the same facial image? Or maybe that only works if its the exact same picture? Is there any publicly available software that can take a facial image and search facebook/google/etc. for a match? If so, I hope people start using this.

You need not worry about trapping me, because as I mentioned before - I am pretty much ignoring your actual beliefs and looking at how self aware you might or might not be in terms of how you present them to others.

Will you have posts that strike a better balance? Just from a math perspective the answer is yes, so I will not be surprised if people on occasion tell you that you have a good post after initially hitting you with the crazy conspiracy guy tag.

The point I am bringing up is your approach does get stuck with that fringe, conspiracy tag, and it is very off putting to many, including those who might at times share many of your beliefs. You have not really shown that much awareness of it, kind of like how pet owners become desensitized to the smell of their dogs, but it is certainly there for those of us without the scent as a part of our daily lives.

I don't get the feeling that you want to change, nor do you really have to change. As I said I do find your posts entertaining at times, but because of how you present them I cannot really give them deep consideration (and I often skim them like the other poster). This is the case even though there will be times where you will have what many consider to be "good posts." Hope that better explains my perspective.

I will leave you to your further studies at this point. Good luck with them.

Deplorables do flip, but they have to some kind of coming to Jesus. They don't just get coddled or reasoned into being decent.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=125514655

Google has a reverse image search feature where you can upload a picture, and google will provide results of where else on the internet Google has indexed the photo. There are a couple ways this might be done.
https://dsp.stackexchange.com/questi...-by-image-site

Just go to google.com, click Images, then click the camera icon to search by image, and you can either upload an image saved on your hard drive, or paste the URL of the image.

Searching my avatar provides many results for PJ Harvey!

is that all there is?
is that all there is?
if that's all there is, my friends
then let's keep dancing
let's break out the booze and have a ball
if that's all there is ....

"At times"? Dude, that was yesterday. I'm not digging through posts or cherrypicking. This is normal treatment I've gotten used to accepting, especially IRL. My own mother and I can barely talk anymore, and it has EVERYTHING to do with Trump. The only change I've made in months is just having more of Trump's life leaked out to me.

You're also missing the whole point, because you didn't even ask about the link that changed people's minds. That's what was important about the story.

Anyway, here (it's long as hell): https://newrepublic.com/article/1435...rime-syndicate

What I'm saying is, if THAT'S the tedious explanation needed to change similar minds about one type of Trump activity, can you imagine what's needed to convert someone slightly anti-Trump? Or a Trumper? (Don't bother with the dogmatic Trump base, because they can be flipped over a single racist call, but no amount of reason will show them appealing facts, science, or evidence.)