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08-10-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Sam Clovis, Donald Trump's pick to be chief scientist for the Department of Agriculture, pushed unfounded theories about then-President Barack Obama's upbringing and called then-Attorney General Eric Holder a "racist black," a CNN KFile review of Clovis's writings and radio broadcasts during 2012 and 2013 has found.

Clovis was a conservative radio host and political activist in Iowa before gaining national attention as one of the more vocal supporters of Trump during the presidential campaign. His nomination to head science at the USDA requires Senate confirmation.

CNN's KFile reported last week on blog posts from 2011 and 2012 in which Clovis called black leaders "race traders" and accused Obama of being a "Maoist." CNN's KFile has since obtained the transcripts of some episodes of Clovis' radio show, "Impact with Sam Clovis," reviewed hours of available audio of Clovis' radio appearances, and uncovered previously unreported blog posts by Clovis.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/10/politi...dio/index.html
08-10-2017 , 10:27 AM
"race traders"
08-10-2017 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
you said there's not enough daylight now to be out in the fields harvesting longer than 10 hrs, which is incorrect. unless i'm missing something here?
Go back and read what I wrote, I didn't say that.
08-10-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Is that any different than this poll?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...term-for-obama
This is actually typical of conservative media because like a billion random conservative sites reported this, yet I can't find the actual question that was asked anywhere. None of them could be bothered citing it because they don't care. The polling firm who conducted it are apparently too technically incompetent to manage things like permalinks, and archive.org is down.

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A strong majority of Democrats would cancel the 2016 presidential election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump if it meant President Obama could serve another term, a new poll found.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.
Two bolded bits are very, very different.
08-10-2017 , 10:45 AM
Like seriously rara, before you post something like that, do you not think "hang on, I should find out what the actual question asked was"? Serious question.
08-10-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Is that any different than this poll?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...term-for-obama
Yes its different because while I would want a third term for Obama, I wouldn't actually support that if he tried to make it happen. To take it a step further, I would vehemently oppose such a proposition.
08-10-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
"race traders"
Least successful Civilization spinoff ever.
08-10-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
It's NK's choice. Trump is fine.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/stat...59441573351424
Yeah well in Gladiator 'hell' was just some horses and swords and ****. It wouldn't result in half the world being unable to eat potatoes for the next 40 years.
08-10-2017 , 10:55 AM
OK, I found the question. As a side note, it's journalistic malpractice to report these poll results without even including a link to the poll (as TheHill did).

The question asked was this:

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If you could grant Obama four more years and cancel this election altogether, would you?
The question asked of Republicans was this:

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If Donald Trump were to say that the 2020 presidential election should be postponed until the country can make sure that only eligible American citizens can vote, would you support or oppose postponing the election?
These are very different. The first question proposes a fantasy scenario in which the respondent just gets to choose what happens in the world. The second proposes a real-world scenario by actual powerbrokers and asks how respondent would react to it.
08-10-2017 , 11:03 AM
Well in the US in 1995 the amount of ppl that viewed democracy as bad way to run the country was 12% among 25-34 year olds, in 2011 it was 23% in the same age group. The amount of ppl with this opinion have since then (and possibly before then) been on the rise in every age group in the US and in almost every age group in europe.

Also an enormous shift in younger generations in US on how essential it is for them to live in a democratic society. Among people born in the 1930s the amount of ppl that viewed it as essential (like 10 on a 10 point scale) was 74% while the amount that said the same among people born in the 1980s is 31%. Thats a pretty drastic change, to me its nothing less than essential.
08-10-2017 , 11:08 AM
Probably because the people born in the 80s have had to watch the people born in the 30s-60s reap all the benefit of this "democratic society" to the detriment of those that followed
08-10-2017 , 11:16 AM
Well, it was nice having a new Chief of Staff while he lasted.

08-10-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
for once i agree with drumpf, mcconnell's spiel about things taking time here in DC is a bollocks excuse for massive failure
It's a bad excuse, but Trump's historic incompetence played a huge role in their failure.
08-10-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Is that any different than this poll?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...term-for-obama
Yes, it's very different you dumb f**k.
08-10-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
It's a bad excuse, but Trump's historic incompetence played a huge role in their failure.
There are no heroes in this story
08-10-2017 , 12:01 PM
Passing those big legislations is not easy to do for mcconnell i think. From what i understand you need the person with the most political capital, the president, to do a massive effort to get it through, go to loads of conventions and interests groups and individual congresspeople and force the new idea into their heads basically. I think thats what obama did.
08-10-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
Yes, it's very different you dumb f**k.
Why the name change? Just being mercurial?
08-10-2017 , 12:13 PM
There was a Pakistani* nuclear scientist a while back who had apparently leaked their nuclear program information (*possibly through India through Israel); it was reportedly expected that the info went to Bush's "axis of evil".


Bush's solution to Iraq: regime change and occupation

Obama's solution to Iran: ease trade sanctions

Trump's solution to NK: nuclear war



drain the swamp
08-10-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Why the name change? Just being mercurial?
Next, se7en > 7even IMO.
08-10-2017 , 12:14 PM
08-10-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
There was a Pakistani* nuclear scientist a while back who had apparently leaked their nuclear program information (*possibly through India through Israel); it was reportedly expected that the info went to Bush's "axis of evil".


Bush's solution to Iraq: regime change and occupation

Obama's solution to Iran: ease trade sanctions

Trump's solution to NK: nuclear war



drain the swamp
AQ Khan. The world's most famous Pakistani nuclear physicist.
08-10-2017 , 12:36 PM
So, TheHill is ****ty, right? I only have two data points, so it could be a fluke I guess.
08-10-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
You know better than to cite Seth Abramson, bro.
08-10-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
So, TheHill is ****ty, right? I only have two data points, so it could be a fluke I guess.
They just regurgitate news from other places and come across as sensational/lazy. Their articles are usually really short on detail needed to support their headlines. I don't like them, but they aren't bottom of the barrel.

      
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