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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

08-04-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Капитальный ремонт на западном крыле. Сотрудники, не присоединившиеся к Трампу, будут работать вместо EISENHOWER EOB. Они были одобрены Обамой, который затем отказался разрешить им проходить во время его пребывания на посту. Это был его прощальный подарок Хиллари, который, без сомнения, не имел с этим отношения.
http://www.townandcountrymag.com/soc...ation-details/

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This work, the spokesman said, was approved under the Obama administration. They are known as the "West Wing Phase Two Renovations" because they follow an initial renovation that was completed in 2012.
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The spokesperson also said that "although carpet and painting is typically done in close proximity to Inauguration Day, the administration chose to defer until the August break."
So weird of the WH to take credit for delaying it when it was that nefarious Obama the whole time.
08-04-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rex Ingram
this is an example of a bad post. In a vacuum it is not bad, however you clutter this thread with these types of posts all the time. You take any story that has the word "data" and assume they must all be tied together
DISCLAIMER: **** this post got way too long. Oh well, that's ok. Let's hopefully make it the last time I have to defend my posting style for a while.

Rex,

It's not like the post was a brand new concept out of left field. It's a bunch of Trump & Co actions with a similar MO that I've taken issue with in the past. Call them dots. The Flynn news today was a big dot; a hub of sorts, with decent potential to be part of something bigger. Because that's the way the people who make up Trump's agenda operate. Not the bull**** public agenda, but the private agenda that runs concurrently. That's the one to watch IMO, at all times. Because there's been a pattern developing for about 2 months. Unless Trump is lashing out, or unless the team is failing at coordinating with the rest of the government, they are always working some alternate angle that doesn't seem to fail often at all.

With this particular government, I really prefer to view the forest and not the trees. But alas, I think I zoomed out too FAR in this post. Back to the specific topic of data...

Balance that vacuum you mentioned with the fact that I have many previous in depth posts questioning the "data" items listed. I've covered the voting fraud commission and the insecurity of its data a ton. I posted at least 2 or 3 times about my concerns that Trump could have given Putin US government data about citizens/voters, or other serious intel during their insecure G20 meeting (like he did with the Sergeis in the Oval), and lastly I posted the **** out of my concerns with the Nunes interference story, how Flynn's little helper unfireable Ezra brought everyone into the secure room in the White House to look at classified intel from IC files. What they DID retrieve (as revealed by Nunes at his press conferences) shows that they were in an area that should have been off-limits to Trump. This happened on a night that Nunes disappeared without a word, got let into the WH by Flynn's guy Ezra, who nobody would discuss until it was later exposed (sound familiar?), and this event triggering Trump to make WH visitor logs secret from then on. Then there's the Kaspersky Antivirus thing I posted about a few days ago. Banned by the IC because of data vulnerabilities, but still installed on Trump admin computers. This is hugely problematic. Add in that ******ed joint cyber team with Russia or other willful ignorance of cybersecurity gap, and ask why the **** Trump is so happy to share our **** with Putin or hackers (and by "****" I mean "data" of course).

Clearly I didn't pluck the word "data" out of thin air to try and make a false connection. The commonality is there, and if we're being datamined in any way, that's beyond just criminal, it's frightening to think of the implications of such a thing in authoritarian hands.

Also important, I said several times that it's only something to keep an eye on and nothing more (yet) becauset I felt yesterday's Flynn news could wind up being really significant. I didn't issue subpoenas or indictments or anything based on the theory, and it's not like I'm posting from imaginary sources with secret information. All I did was take an existing pattern seems to have expanded by a large amount.

If you're that interested in whether calling my last post "bad" is right or wrong, feel free to look back and see if my thoughts are consistent with the evidence known and presented. In the meantime, I stand by my position that mass data collection on individuals (for authoritarians most likely) is responsible for the parrert we're seeing.
08-04-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
wait, is trump's lawyer really named ty cobb
08-04-2017 , 01:54 PM
08-04-2017 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Presidents can't do much for the economy one way or another, especially without legislation.
I pointed this out to an older guy I know on FB who is 45ish. He made a post about how great Trump is because of the economy and MAGA. He lost it and called me a loser piece of trash for not owning a home like him ( I'm 29 ) and how I'm not qualified to talk to him about the economy because of it and because he has a degree in Business, which he just got after being in the military for 20 odd years. He ended up blocking me lol.
08-04-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
And that led to a sudden influx in hiring in which industry, exactly?
My statement was tongue in cheek, that ****er hasnt done a single thing to create jobs.
08-04-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I pointed this out to an older guy I know on FB who is 45ish. He made a post about how great Trump is because of the economy and MAGA. He lost it and called me a loser piece of trash for not owning a home like him ( I'm 29 ) and how I'm not qualified to talk to him about the economy because of it and because he has a degree in Business, which he just got after being in the military for 20 odd years. He ended up blocking me lol.
Good old FB drama. Sometimes I wish I didn't nuke my FB so I could troll all the Trumpers I had as friends.
08-04-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I wonder how much money Trump has made from his vacations to Mar-a-lago, putting up gov employees in Trump tower etc. I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was more than all the former presidents salaries combined.
08-04-2017 , 02:12 PM
Meanwhile Obama just scooped up that sweet sweet $400k/year like the greedy America-hating Muslim he is.

The sad thing is the average Trumper probably doesn't understand that a) $400k isn't much money at that level and b) how one might leverage supreme political power to make 100s of times more. So the talking point is probably effective on the idiot army.
08-04-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DBLK
A little bit OT:

I'm just reading the history of the five Mafia families of New York. It was interesting to read about Roy Cohn + Gambino/Genovese role in the construction of the Trump Tower and other Trump projects in New York.
Someone did construction projects in NYC and had contact with the Mafia? I might need my fainting couch.
08-04-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Someone did construction projects in NYC and had contact with the Mafia? I might need my fainting couch.
And not that long ago "NY real estate developer" would probably have disqualified someone for office. Hell, being close to NY real estate developers would have been a serious problem.
08-04-2017 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
And not that long ago "NY real estate developer" would probably have disqualified someone for office. Hell, being close to NY real estate developers would have been a serious problem.
I'm totally on board with dq'ing NY real estate developers. I'll also throw in reality show hosts and people who don't pay their bills.
08-04-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I wonder how much money Trump has made from his vacations to Mar-a-lago, putting up gov employees in Trump tower etc. I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was more than all the former presidents salaries combined.
I'm bored at work so I crunched the numbers on this, we've paid all previous Presidents a whopping $21,700,000.

Trump has 100% grifted that much already.
08-04-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Meanwhile Obama just scooped up that sweet sweet $400k/year like the greedy America-hating Muslim he is.

The sad thing is the average Trumper probably doesn't understand that a) $400k isn't much money at that level and b) how one might leverage supreme political power to make 100s of times more. So the talking point is probably effective on the idiot army.
I believe in some of the Scandi countries politicians are not allowed to decline their salaries because of the association of doing that with corruption.
08-04-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I wonder how much money Trump has made from his vacations to Mar-a-lago, putting up gov employees in Trump tower etc. I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was more than all the former presidents salaries combined.
Also I think that sitting on your ass watching Fox TV and tweeting inanities in between humiliating yourself and your country in conversations with world leaders isn't really "work" in the context of a presidency.
08-04-2017 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
starting a war with an already adversarial press is probably bad for their leak control, ****ing idiots.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced Friday that the Department of Justice is considering subpoenaing journalists in order to determine who in the Trump administration is leaking classified information.

The attorney general made the announcement alongside Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, as leaks continue to pile up under the Trump administration, and the president continues to be publicly irritated with them.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/04/se...ecurity-leaks/
By doing this, they're basically admitting the info leaked is true (otherwise it's not a crime), so this could lead to some interesting places down the line.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
As I responded to him on Twitter, Trump is passing up $400K/yr in presidential salary (so far, at least, he's donated it - we'll see if that continues). But he's charging the DOD about $1.6M a year for the space they're using for the military office in Trump Tower, where the nuclear football would be if he was staying there. The most expensive listing there before his election was 50K/month for a three bedroom. Assuming the DOD took the most expensive place there, he's charging them 160% more than the old market rate.

Put another way, he's donating 400K and fleecing the taxpayers for a minimum of 615K a year... From our defense budget no less! That's money that could be going to defeating ISIS!
08-04-2017 , 03:02 PM
The average Trumpkin stopped paying attention to that halfway through the first sentence.
08-04-2017 , 03:11 PM
08-04-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
looooooooooool

Didn't several people itt call this back when McMaster got the gig?

Anyone who isn't abjectly terrible is going to have a tough time working for this clown. Not sure why anyone would ever accept a job with him in any capacity.
08-04-2017 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
wait, is trump's lawyer really named ty cobb
he even looks like an old-time baseball player

08-04-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Timon
Dude in black t-shirt with MAGA hat triggers me.
08-04-2017 , 03:45 PM
Can't wait until they force journalists to talk and Bannon and Trump (Jared, Ivanka, and Donald) are arrested for leaking. These idiots never have a step 2 in their plans.
08-04-2017 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder


As I responded to him on Twitter, Trump is passing up $400K/yr in presidential salary (so far, at least, he's donated it - we'll see if that continues). But he's charging the DOD about $1.6M a year for the space they're using for the military office in Trump Tower, where the nuclear football would be if he was staying there. The most expensive listing there before his election was 50K/month for a three bedroom. Assuming the DOD took the most expensive place there, he's charging them 160% more than the old market rate.

Put another way, he's donating 400K and fleecing the taxpayers for a minimum of 615K a year... From our defense budget no less! That's money that could be going to defeating ISIS!
It also has been widely reported that the lease is with a private individual not associated with Trump.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1812B5

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In a letter to Representative Jackie Speier, a Democrat on the House Armed Services and intelligence committees, Defense Department official James MacStravic, said the apartment is "privately owned and ... lease negotiations have been with the owner's representatives only."

MacStravic, who wrote that he was "temporarily performing the duties of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics," said any acquisition of leased space with "an annual rental in excess of $1 million must first be approved by my office."

He "approved this action" after consulting with the White House Military Office and other officials, he said.

Officials declined to reveal the cost of the lease or identify the owners of the apartment.

MacStravic's letter, dated March 3, added: "We are not aware of any means through which the President would personally benefit from a Government lease of this space."
08-04-2017 , 03:51 PM


I give him 2 months tops.
08-04-2017 , 03:51 PM
WaPo has an article about a Trump quote from his WSJ interview that's quite revealing. This is the full quote from the Politico transcript in that link:

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Originally Posted by Donald Trump
You know where we have the people? In New York state that can’t get jobs, in many other places that can’t get jobs. And people are going to have to start moving. They’re going to move to Colorado and they’re going to move to Iowa and Wisconsin and places where – like if Foxconn goes to Wisconsin, which is one of the places they’re very strongly considering – but if Foxconn goes to Wisconsin and they have a very low rate and the governor’s done an excellent job, you’re going to have a situation where you got to get the people. But they’re going to start moving. And I’m going to start explaining to people when you have an area that just isn’t working – like upper New York state, where people are getting very badly hurt – and then you’ll have another area 500 miles away where you can’t – you can’t get people, I’m going to explain you can leave, it’s OK, don’t worry about your house.
What's great about this is that it's the exact same sentiment people slammed Hillary for. She was like "hey maybe coal miners should leave West Virginia and go do something productive somewhere else" and Trump and the idiot Trumpkins were like "HELL NAH, TRUMP'S GONNA MAKE WEST VIRGINIA GREAT AGAIN". And now, six months in, he's like, nope, **** your home, move where the jobs are, just like the reviled Hillary Clinton!

Bonus hilarious quote from the WaPo piece, on why some people aren't leaving their ****hole towns:

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The Wall Street Journal ran an article Thursday on why rural Americans are “stuck in fading towns.” The reporters found that what people talked about most was a desire to be around others who think as they do. “Beyond the practical difficulties, rural residents and experts say there is another impediment to mobility that is often more difficult to overcome — the growing cultural divide,” the article said. A young woman in the article tried to move away from her small town several times, but she found many larger cities to be godless places where people were quick to have sex with strangers, but they didn't want to know their neighbors.
LOL

      
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