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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

08-03-2017 , 04:33 PM
It's not certain.
08-03-2017 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Is the calling of a grand jury a certain sign that Mueller is seeking criminal charges in connection with the Russian probe?
No, it can be an investigative tool to compel people to testify under oath.
08-03-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Is the calling of a grand jury a certain sign that Mueller is seeking criminal charges in connection with the Russian probe?
No. Grand juries have an investigative function as well. You can compel people to testify in front of them under oath and can use them to issue a variety of subpoenas.


That said, as a former prosecutor, yeah he's probably seeking criminal charges in connection with he Russian probe.
08-03-2017 , 04:34 PM
The day after he appointed Greg Andre the foreign bribery expert.
08-03-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
so they're turning him into first term Obama, who's lack of policy knowledge was carefully concealed from the public. It worked fine for Obama, it should work fine for Trump too.
Comrade your compirason is wrongstoika
08-03-2017 , 04:35 PM


08-03-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
"THIS IS IT GUYS!" Take #342, annnnd action!
Every single previous "this is it" has been yet another step on the road to the end for your president. FFS your guy is at 33 percent approval and is now taking flak from senators and governors in his own party who are openly rebelling against him. There are now multiple bills from members of his own party designed to stop him from firing the special counsel. You can keep deluding yourself that this ends well for your orange clown though. Good luck with that.
08-03-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Ah its the 5ive guy. Buddy, i dont think im doing anything like that. There are a few reasons why the far right wing populist/nationalis parties popped up all over europe the past 40ish years but the most central reason is immigration. This goes under the new big political fault line called Globalization.

NYT has an article about this where some nice trends are visible: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...a-hungary.html

Also a reference to a study is made in a washington post opine ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.3a5384f556c0 ):
"In fact, one statistical analysis of European Union countries found that more immigrants invariably means more populists. According to the study, if you extrapolate from current trends, “as the percentage of immigrants approaches approximately 22 percent, the percentage of right-wing populist voters exceeds 50 percent.” Hostility to immigration has been a core theme of every one of these populist parties."


Link to the study, pay special attention to the lowermost bolded text:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1612.00270v2.pdf

Among the central tenets of globalization is free migration of labor. Although much has been written about its benefits, little is known about the limitations of globalization, including how immigration affects the anti-globalist sentiment.Analyzing polls data, we find that over the last three years in a group of EU countries affected by the recent migrant crisis, the percentage of right-wing (RW) populist voters in a given country depends on the prevalence of immigrants in this country's population and the total immigration inflow into the entire EU. The latter is likely due to the EU resembling a supranational state, where the lack of inner borders causes that "somebody else's problem" easily turns into "my problem". We further find that the increase in the percentage of RW voters substantially surpasses the immigration inflow, implying that if this process continues, RW populism may democratically prevail and eventually lead to a demise of globalization. We present evidence for tipping points in relation to the rise of RW populism. Finally, we model these empirical findings using a complex network framework wherein the success of globalization largely rests on the balance between immigration and immigrant integration.



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So im a bit worried about what will happen in the future wrt immigration. What i would not do is to downplay what political effects it can have. When people are voting or running for public office out of strong feelings of fear then extreme things can eventually happen. Theres no reasons to pretend that immigration is just roses.
Europe and the US has nothing in common when it comes to immigration
08-03-2017 , 04:41 PM
i feel we're less than 3 months away from the grand unveiling of the drumpf: rut roh thread
08-03-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Immigrant rights are a moral issue and immigration is good for the country. I can't speak for democrats, but I'm not motivated by counting immigrant votes.
Yeah immigrants allow America to remain great. Who they end up voting for is irrelevant.
08-03-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
Trump's big announcement tonight is firing Mueller, right?
even if that were true, it wont stop the investigation/grand jury proceedings
08-03-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Every single previous "this is it" has been yet another step on the road to the end for your president.
They say technically correct is the best kind of correct, but I don't buy it.

In that sense, then I suppose every day does indeed bring us closer to the end of the Trump era. Only 2726 days until Jan 19th, 2025.
08-03-2017 , 04:51 PM
A wild inso0 appears!
08-03-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Separately, CNN reported that Mueller’s probe has now expanded well past the 2016 election. “Sources described an investigation that has widened to focus on possible financial crimes, some unconnected to the 2016 elections, alongside the ongoing scrutiny of possible illegal coordination with Russian spy agencies and alleged attempts by President Donald Trump and others to obstruct the FBI investigation,” the report said, adding that investigators were combing through Trump’s business empire.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...m_source=atltw
08-03-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Oh good - so we're like 1 away from Constitutional Amendment now? (WV gov)
Meh, that's like saying that a GOP senate majority is goodbye Obamacare and look how that turned out. Gotta get them all to agree on something for that to be dangerous, and look at e.g. Brian Sandoval in Nevada or any number of Republican governors in New England who aren't going to roll over for whatever ways liberals think conservatives want to destroy the Constitution.

That's not to downplay the seriousness of Democrats' electoral failings in state houses around the country, and beyond the terrible state laws they propose that does have national consequences as well for things like redistricting - but I think the idea of OMG CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION INCOMING is just a boogeyman.
08-03-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
They say technically correct is the best kind of correct, but I don't buy it.

In that sense, then I suppose every day does indeed bring us closer to the end of the Trump era. Only 2726 days until Jan 19th, 2025.
I say he will not finish his first term. Only one of us is correct, we shall see who that is.
08-03-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Europe and the US has nothing in common when it comes to immigration
Doesnt matter because i have results from the US as well, these online sources were just convenient since they are online. Btw im not sure if you are a troll or just a littlebit dumb, but judging from your latest posts i think i shouldnt be talking to you.
08-03-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
"THIS IS IT GUYS!" Take #342, annnnd action!
Inso0 can't actually find any posts to respond to here, because that would require him to formulate an actual argument rather than make up blatant strawmen
08-03-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
I say he will not finish his first term. Only one of us is correct, we shall see who that is.
In classic Cool Runnings fashion, Trump will be carrying his busted-ass bobsled by hand over the finish line as people look on in stunned silence. A slow clap will start somewhere in the crowd, and we'll all be proud of the narcissistic gameshow host who managed to make it to the POTUS finish line even with 8 years of people laughing at him for being somewhere he doesn't belong.

Then I'll post some inflammatory things about newly inaugurated President Chelsea Clinton and likely be banned.

Fun times will be had by all.
08-03-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
i feel we're less than 3 months away from the grand unveiling of the drumpf: rut roh thread
I think we are pretty much there bro.
08-03-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
This is gonna get really, really good. Dude is a crook for sure. He isn't going to take an investigation into family finances lying down. That's where the good stuff is.
08-03-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
In classic Cool Runnings fashion, Trump will be carrying his busted-ass bobsled by hand over the finish line as people look on in stunned silence. A slow clap will start somewhere in the crowd, and we'll all be proud of the narcissistic gameshow host who managed to make it to the POTUS finish line even with 8 years of people laughing at him for being somewhere he doesn't belong.

Then I'll post some inflammatory things about newly inaugurated President Chelsea Clinton and likely be banned.

Fun times will be had by all.
all a game to you, the people who get hurt dont matter, theyre not you
08-03-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
It will trigger Ann Coulter types who are semi-literate, will see this article, understand well enough it's not a fabrication, and have it reinforced for them that Trump was entirely full of **** about the wall.

This is an older tweet ldo but indicative of her tone lately:



I suspect she's in a very small minority among deplorables who actually want to see a brick and mortar wall, as mostly simply saw the wall rhetoric as symbolic of Trump being a fellow-traveler ******* rather than as a formal promise he actually had to keep.

But still, it's perhaps emblematic of how he's going to have a hard time keeping the entirety of Deplorable America satisfied since he's just lying and bull****ting as a rule and eventually the political gravity of that will catch up with you.

How much of a backlash will he suffer for his failures. He has failed to deliver on a lot of his key promises which isn’t terribly abnormal except the way trump made his promises then continued to scream about them long after taking office.

At the very least it has to inhibit his ability to rally crowds for a 2020 campaign with a new set of promises, one would help.
08-03-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
I don't have enough American TV exposure, but judging from the MSM websites, I feel like there's not enough focus on how stupid DJT is.

This article touches the issue - http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/02/op...ion/index.html



But there should be much more. When you read the transcripts of his interviews and calls it's quite obvious that the guy, for whatever reason, is absolutely a moron. I remember how GWB was treated as an idiot and he seems infinite time smarter and more suitable for the job (and i'm sure he wasn't smart nor suitable).

The general feeling I get is Trump actually manages to use the "I built a multi billion company so i know what i'm doing" with the MSM too. Hell, maybe he wasn't this dumb before and it's a matter of age/medical condition. These transcripts have to be a bigger issue than they are.
GWB was stupid for a president. DJT is stupid for a person.
08-03-2017 , 05:15 PM
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How much of a backlash will he suffer for his failures. He has failed to deliver on a lot of his key promises which isn’t terribly abnormal except the way trump made his promises then continued to scream about them long after taking office.

At the very least it has to inhibit his ability to rally crowds for a 2020 campaign with a new set of promises, one would help.
I suspect that while avid follows of the news/politics are either hip to the fact Trump is totally full of **** and cannot deliver on his promises (normal people), or simply don't care or aren't interested in results (a lot of Deplorables, happy enough just to not have a Democratic President and/or simply into the Trump style alone) --- there are some low information or not that attentive voters who will have the false promises become clearer to them over time. It's a slow process. Is it a huge number of people? Probably not. But Trump didn't have a huge coalition, so losing small percentage of voters with each **** up and promise-not-kept will eventually make him politically impotent/unelectable. Not building the wall might lose him 1 of every 250 deplorables. Not raining manufacturing jobs from the sky all over the Midwest loses him another 1 out of every 150 of his voters. Being an unhinged clownshow loses him 1 out of every 150 Trump voters. Etc. etc. Eventually add it up, and he'll lose some significant percentage of his voters, and he can't really afford to lose any of them.

I agree that in 2018 the GOP will just campaign against Hillary again and in 2020 Trump will have new enemies and new stabbed-in-the-back-theories and new amazing bull**** to peddle, and he'll win some back. I am not predicting Democratic waves necessarily. But again, he needs to win everyone from his ~2016 coalition back. Needs to fade population/demographic shifts (e.g., older, whiter votes dying).

Last edited by DVaut1; 08-03-2017 at 05:21 PM.

      
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